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    How bad did I screw up? I just won at an auction on ebay a 166Mhz Cyrix Media GX Motherboard. I thought it would be good because of its very small size and price. But I just heard that these thing are comparable to a 486. Im planning on using 2 8MB FPM SIMMS. And running Windows98/Winamp. 4x20 LCD, 810MB IBM 2.5 drive w/ 32X CD-ROM to hold the MP3s. Is this set up going to run Okay?

    Thanks

  • #2
    you shouldn't have any problems but you'll probably want more RAM if you are going to run Windows. (I think '98 eats about 16MB at startup...)

    I'm running a Cyrix 166 w/ 32MB and MP3's play fine. WinAmp seems to have a problem occasionally when I do things like a directory listing and other things like that...

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    • #3
      I tend to stay away from Cyrix because their CPUs tend to run hotter and slower than their Pentium or AMD equivalents. At my last job, my boss purchased a new computer for me to use as a workstation. It had a Cyrix MII 300 MHz chip in it. The bus speed was even 100MHz and it had a 32MB PC-100 DIMM. I can honestly say that it ran slower than the Pentium 166 I was using at home at the time.

      Cyrix processors don't have the floating point capability or the power efficiency of Pentium and AMD K6/7 CPUs... They tend to run very hot and don't perform well doing floating-point intensive tasks.

      ...But for just running a barebones install of Windows and playing MP3s, I'm sure they work fine (as I can see from this board)

      I just wanted to warn people out there about potential heat problems and system slowdowns when several apps are running at once.

      Like with any computer hardware: if it's cheap and works for playing MP3s, and it runs in the car, use it!


      --Jason
      http://jump.to/m2pc
      Jason Johnson
      Yorba Linda, California
      http://www.m2pc.com

      MPC Phase IV - *** PENDING ***

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      • #4
        My player is based on the MediaGX200. Using an optimized mp3 decoder in Linux I get > 60% CPU usage for the decoding and like 1-5% for my i/o and control routines. In Windows95 I had to knock the quality down in WinAmp cause it was 100% usage and skipping at the highest level. Basically you'll have to use Linux or DOS. I have 16MB in my player so that's fine. Have a look at my site if you want to see how it turned out. It's a work in progress

        <a href="http://3play.mp3car.com">http://3play.mp3car.com</a>

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        • #5
          So I think I screwed up. Ive noticed on my AMD K-III 450 system that MXplay has crummy sound quality compared to Winamp. I bought a copy of Linux earlyer this year and screwed up both of my Windows98 PC's, I totally dont understand that OS. If a 200Mhz Media POS has a problem. Then the totaly integrated unupgradeable 166Mhz in mine will perform like crap. $46 for that Mobo. I bought is solely on the size. I have a 100Mhz Intel Pentium. Would this perform that much better. If so Ill have to eat the cost of the POS motherboard and get a cheap alton or something. But my problem lies in portablity MP3 Player is supposed to go from car to car to house. Im planning to keep it on the floor board. as it will only be 7" x"13 x 5". The alton board will take up quite abit more room.

          Thanks
          Joe

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          • #6
            Hi everybody.

            The mobo in one of my systems is equipped
            witch a Cyrix GXM-233 processor (64MB ram/8GB hd). It runns all major (linux-)decoders without any problem, as long as there is no other process accessing the hd. In this case it starts skipping very fast. The cpu load is usualy at 60-75 percent. The reason for this is that the cpu emulates the soundcard with it's own fpu...

            That's why I would'nt recommend it for a system with graphical output (xwindows). I don't know anything about the situation under win95, because i never tried to install it on this machine.

            Ps: The amount of ram available seems to play no big role, there is no difference if the systems has only 32MB.

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            ...Unix, DOS, and Windows XP
            (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly).
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            • #7
              Just FYI, I recently tried (for a month)a Cyrix M2 333, on a Aopen motherboard running 98 with 64M sdram and 6G WD caviar HDD.

              How well did it work? Well, That system is gone. It DID play MP3's at full quality, but it even skipped if you tried to do much anything else. Even just browsing directories
              in explorer would often cause gaps of silence.

              Not to mention I couldn't get it to play decent at full qulity in winamp until I got the motherboard bus set to 75Mhz. (I don't recall the exact numbers but it could do 66mhz with 6x multiplier or 75 with 5x.. or whatever.) (I'm tired, it's late.)

              Anyway, this processor will PLAY mp3's, if that's all you want it to do. If you want visualization or DSP or multitasking FORGET
              IT!!!

              Just as a comparison, I tried encoding mp3's
              with that system... Couldn't even maintain 1X with musicmatch (Xing encoder) regardless
              of bitrate. (Files encoded with that processor were unusable, with clicks occasionally or other audible problems.
              It could rip at 4X, but encoding
              choked it.

              Right now I'm crunching with a celery 333.

              I should have bought the celery to start, it was only $20 more, and encodes 6 times faster, and multitasks!

              Troy



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              • #8
                Will It at least do all the things on the list.

                Play MP3's at full quality
                Manage a 200 song playlist off CD's
                And sent output every secound to my 4x20 LCD screen?


                Thanks
                Joe

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                • #9
                  Did I mention that It does NOT have onboard sound or video.

                  Which will put less stress on the CPU

                  Ensoniq AudioPCI64
                  -or-
                  Soundblaser AWE 64 Value ISA?

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                  • #10
                    Lithium Ion -

                    I think it's worth a try in a non-graphical environment (i.e. DOS or non-x-win Linux). Have you even powered this beast up yet and tried loading a DOS MP3 player on it?

                    I wouldn't give up yet; small size is a beautiful thing if the hardware can perform well.

                    And if not, you only paid $46 for it, at least you didn't shell out major cash for it... Hehe, run Linux on it and make a small webserver out of it


                    --Jason
                    http://jump.to/m2pc
                    Jason Johnson
                    Yorba Linda, California
                    http://www.m2pc.com

                    MPC Phase IV - *** PENDING ***

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                    • #11
                      Yes, it will do all of those things in Linux. In Windows.... you'd have to try it. It's gonna be a close call.

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                      • #12
                        Just a note to all those people that are bagging Cyrix..

                        I have a Cyrix M2 300 in the car at the moment and it is sweet.. although I would never use it for a home computer (its probably about the same speed as a 233MMX, certainly not anywhere near any other 300Mhz machine) it is absolutely fine for the car.. it is damn stable too.. it has never crashed on me.. anyway.. maybe I got a lucky chip.. but mine does the job perfectly..

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                        • #13
                          Yeah an MII should be Okay. The reason Cyrix Chips are slow is because of the PR rating that 300 is 233Mhz. But an MII has 64KB L-1 Cache and this thing has 16kb. And no L-2 cache. I'll just have to wait and see. If it dont work well with Win98 lite http://www.98lite.net. Then I'll be looking for a new motherboard.

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                          • #14
                            Don't confuse a Cyrix M2 with an Cyrix MediaGX. The MediGX chip has a much weaker FPU in addition to handling the sound and video output since it's a very integrated system.

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                            • #15
                              barely plays the mp3s, wont run lcd and play mp3s at the same time. The processor is a BGA and unupgradeable it also acts northbridge controller. I got screwed!
                              I cant find any motherboards near this size.

                              Thanks
                              Joe

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