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  • Usb power and Standby

    My setup uses a usb cable that I cut the end off, plugged it into my unpowered usb hub, and wired to a relay to "throw the switch" on my accessory, or car pc power line which includes the computer(a laptop with its own battery), a line to my power inverter (which runs my usb hub power), my lilliput lcd, and a remote lead to my amplifiers.

    I wired the lid switch from my laptop to a normally closed relay which gets thrown when they key comes on... in essence "opening the lid" on my laptop which tells the computer to resume from standby. But, sometimes when I shut the key off, the computer goes into standby and the usb stays on, keeping everything on, but other times it will shut right down, everything will turn off, and the standby light will flash on my computer.

    I have a powered usb hub plugged into my non powered hub, is it possible it is feeding power back to the hub? Is there anything I go do to force usb to be shut down?

  • #2
    Anybody?

    I checked in device manager to make sure that no usb devices wer set to wake the computer from standby, but I found that non of them even had the option... Is there something I have set up wrong in windows?

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    • #3
      the mobo is keeping power to the usb port, i have had this wil flash drives and things, if you hunt around your bios in the power management bit, there should be an option to disable it.

      Hope this helps.
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      • #4
        Ya, I've been through that, my bios settings are worthless, there is nothing in there, especially nothing about power managament. And like I said, I'd say 2/3rds of the time it powers off, the other 1/3rd it doesn't, so it seems like its random, or driven by something... but if I just turn the key back on, let it boot back up and resume, then shut the key off again it always goes out.

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        • #5
          Have you updated your bios and are you running XP SP2?

          There are some knowledge base articals at microsoft's website, and you also may want to see if your mobo manufacturer has any driver updates. Sometimes it depends on what order you install them too.

          You can disable all of the usb devices from waking up the computer globally with a registry hack.

          http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;841858

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          • #6
            Nice, I will try that hack immediately. As for my operating system.... I have xp pro, but not sp 2 cause I figured I wouldn't need the security or anything cause I only connect to the internet when I bring my wireless card out to the car from my laptop to download music into the car. I have updated bios with the most recent update from compaq.

            Do you think sp2 would make a difference? Cause I'll do it if I need to!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dmcdlrn
              Nice, I will try that hack immediately. As for my operating system.... I have xp pro, but not sp 2 cause I figured I wouldn't need the security or anything cause I only connect to the internet when I bring my wireless card out to the car from my laptop to download music into the car. I have updated bios with the most recent update from compaq.

              Do you think sp2 would make a difference? Cause I'll do it if I need to!!!
              They made LOTS of updates in SP2 to correct USB issues, some specifically dealing with standby/hibernation. Do a search for "usb" on this page.

              http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;811113

              What type of motherboard do you have?

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              • #8
                I don't know the motherboard... its a compaq armada m700 laptop.. it says something about intel boot loader or something when it boots past the compaq screen.

                I updated the bios using compaq's download site when I first got the computer for this project.

                One thing I know... unrelated to the scope of the question of this post, the computer blips and works really hard just to run road runner and gps.. I even get sound blipping.... would more ram solve this? I only have 256 right now... I also noticed that my page file is only about 100 mb at its biggest compaired to my desktop at home which uses around 400 mb at times and at work it uses around 250 mb.

                I'm thinking that speed stepping is causing trouble too cause it shows my system usage incorrectly... idle shows like 20 and system like 95, then all sorts of other things adding up to like 140% system usage...my math is bad, but window's is worse!!

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                • #9
                  You should probably check Compaq's (hp) site and see if there are any updated bios/firmware/softpaqs releases after SP2. They may have also released a I/O Controller Hub (ICHx) driver.

                  If they were released after SP2, chances are (hopefully) they were released to solve issues that SP2 introduced, in which case you need to install SP2 first, and then those updates. Otherwise, apply all of those updates first, and then install SP2.

                  In terms of the "blipping", not sure. Maybe the inverter? 256MB isn't alot so more RAM would definately help regardless. Your pagefile should generally be 1.5 times the amount of physical memory.

                  Not sure I'm following you about the speed stepping...

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                  • #10
                    they only list one bios update... and its from like 2001 or 2, so its pre sp2. I will get more ram... thats next on the list.

                    as for the speed step, its a mobile p3, so it has speed step and I have heard that it causes problems with win xp. And currently its reporting usage incorrectly to windows... if I turn it off in bios it only reports as a 600 something in windows where its really an 850.

                    you can see the updates available for my computer at the link below

                    http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/fi...e/64_1009.html

                    There are alot of updates there, I don't know which ones are valuable.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dmcdlrn
                      There are alot of updates there, I don't know which ones are valuable.
                      For years, I firmly believed and occassionally preached that you should never apply a patch unless something was wrong that the patch specifically addressed.

                      But after spending a year automating a QA department and seeing how that process works, I see things much differently. If there's a patch, it's valuable. Install it.

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                      • #12
                        install all updates
                        install SP2

                        first thing after work!

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                        • #13
                          Ok, I just spent all evening running back and forth from my car to my house. I installed all sorts of soft paqs and then sp2. I also tried that hack, but my registry allready said 0x00000000 for the dword. SOO, the long story short is after all was done, just as a slap in the face, it shuts down into sleep and doesn't shut off the usb. So, nothing got fixed. That kinda sucks, but ultimately I just need to get it to be fixed, or come up with a new idea of how to trigger when my accessory wire shuts down.

                          Any more ideas???? I still don't have any power management options in the device manager under the property tabs for anything. Although I was able to wake my computer using the touch screen touch, so I was thinking that might be causing it.

                          But, I did upgrade my ram to 400 something, and its running much better then it was! and I mean MUCH BETTER, so I think the sp2 and other things helped that too!! Now I just need a brighter backlight... top down = no visibility

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                          • #14
                            Are you sure your computer supports ACPI? Is it turned on in the BIOS? It should be showing up in the tab.

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                            • #15
                              I don't have any power options in bios. It doesn't show up in windows. I did an update from the compaq site that was a power management thing... whole bunch more tabs in the windows power manager now, but nothing that does me a whole lot of good... just how much the computer shuts the backlight down on the panel, and you can calibrate the batterys... stuff like that.

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