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    just was wondering about those who have long ide cables and how they are working now. i'm at that point now of deciding dvd placement. i searched and really didnt see any final results...only plans

    thanks!
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  • #2
    ok so this is an update on what?

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    • #3
      http://www.lesliex317537.com/

      This guy did a 15' cable. Claims it works just fine. Took me all of about 23 seconds to find using the search button.


      Rob
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      • #4
        it works

        I had a 15' IDE cable and it worked with my setup. I then sold it and bought a IDE to Firewire converter (about $60). This is a super slick adapter. Firewire uses way less system resources and it was super easy to hook up on Win98

        Nathan

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        • #5
          ...he searched... found people had plans to install the extended length ide cables. since that time, no one has posted a difinative answer on whether or not these cable have worked when installed in the car. he is looking for confirmation that these cables work... an UPDATE on someone else progress on this.

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          • #6
            Ok well I'm working on this same thing right now. I was at work the other day (as I am now) and tried to make an IDE cable out of some spare ribbon cable that we had laying around. I think in the end I made it more like 22 feet instead of 15 and I'm pretty sure it's much too long. I tested it in my computer and during the POST screen it does reconize my CD burner. When I got into windows tho it crashed on finding new hardware (Win 2k)(with gibberish as the hardware name) so I quit out of that. I went into my comptuer to look if it was there and there were no CD rom's listed . I think that two things contributed to my downfall.
            1) the cable was simply too long
            2) it wasn't properly shielded

            Right now I am on IDE cable 2.0. This time I am taking just about 6 inches of IDE cable and then soldering Cat5 on the end of them. From there I am putting the cat 5 into female plugs. This way I can do this in a much more modular way in the car, just make Cat 5 extension cables to the lenght in the car and cut them there, much much neater. I don't know if this is going to work and soldering 82 cables (actually more like 110 cause I'm doing EVERYTHING over cat 5 for this ease of install) takes a VERY long time. I was up till 5am yesterday and I think I might have gotten about 1/4 of them done. Tonight is another night which I have to work on it and hopefully I'll get them all done and tested. (I am using a contuinity tester to see if the solders worked, so this might be part of my downfall timewise).

            BEN

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            • #7
              thanks to the last guys who can read and responded more maturely. i think i'll try the extended cable.
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              • #8
                Just try the Firewire converter

                I would really encourage people to try the Firewire converter.

                This works excellet for my DVD drive, and it took less than 10 minutes to install. Time is valuable, and probably would payoff to just get the firwire converter (IDE to Firewire)

                Nathan

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by saabmp3
                  Ok well I'm working on this same thing right now. I was at work the other day (as I am now) and tried to make an IDE cable out of some spare ribbon cable that we had laying around. I think in the end I made it more like 22 feet instead of 15 and I'm pretty sure it's much too long. I tested it in my computer and during the POST screen it does reconize my CD burner. When I got into windows tho it crashed on finding new hardware (Win 2k)(with gibberish as the hardware name) so I quit out of that. I went into my comptuer to look if it was there and there were no CD rom's listed . I think that two things contributed to my downfall.
                  1) the cable was simply too long
                  2) it wasn't properly shielded

                  Right now I am on IDE cable 2.0. This time I am taking just about 6 inches of IDE cable and then soldering Cat5 on the end of them. From there I am putting the cat 5 into female plugs. This way I can do this in a much more modular way in the car, just make Cat 5 extension cables to the lenght in the car and cut them there, much much neater. I don't know if this is going to work and soldering 82 cables (actually more like 110 cause I'm doing EVERYTHING over cat 5 for this ease of install) takes a VERY long time. I was up till 5am yesterday and I think I might have gotten about 1/4 of them done. Tonight is another night which I have to work on it and hopefully I'll get them all done and tested. (I am using a contuinity tester to see if the solders worked, so this might be part of my downfall timewise).

                  BEN
                  Whoa, that sounds like an undertaking, and are you using a 40pin (5 cat5's) or an 80ping (10 cat5s!!) for the basis? I dont know if it was here on on the [h], but a bored tech with too much time and resouces on thier hands made some looong ide cables, and had a system booting of a hd that was on a 15ft+ cable if memory serves (and a cdrom working off a 25ft+ cable). This being done with all the proper tools, and in a is dept (not the emi disaster zone of a car).
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                  • #10
                    I'm only using 40 pin IDE cable (I don't need ATA100, this is only a DVD drive). I'm working on my updates and I'll post them in a couple of hours.

                    BEN

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                    • #11
                      I just finished a 20-25 foot ide cable, and it does not work. I used some 50 pin telephone cable that i had around, and grounded 10 random wires, used the rest to crimp into an ide connector. I do not know much about this cable, but i would say it is probably the same or less sheilded than the cat5.

                      Any other ide success stories?
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                      Loads of ideas.

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                      • #12
                        why not just get a usb to ide converter? or maybe firewire to ide (like someone said before). I found a usb cable online that will let you get up to a 60 foot usb cable with no probs, why wouldn't you want to use that? You should even be able to boot off of it with the usb version.
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                        • #13
                          claylong,
                          by grounding 10 random wires you eleminated the shelding effect of the wire,
                          the reason that cat 5 stays interfearcence rissistant is that each pair of wires are twisted so that they pass thru the same interfearence fields, and the fact that each pair is just that, a pair one is the signal wire and the other is the ground. If you split the pairs(by using random wires as grounds and others as signal) you eliminate the self cancelling effect of the cable. This could be the reason it failed. I wonder if some of it has to do with the MOBO, if some boards put out stronger signals on the ide channle or have better descrimination in the recive side of the controller.
                          hrmmmmm.
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                          • #14
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jstiltner
                              claylong,
                              by grounding 10 random wires you eleminated the shelding effect of the wire,
                              the reason that cat 5 stays interfearcence rissistant is that each pair of wires are twisted so that they pass thru the same interfearence fields, and the fact that each pair is just that, a pair one is the signal wire and the other is the ground. If you split the pairs(by using random wires as grounds and others as signal) you eliminate the self cancelling effect of the cable. This could be the reason it failed. I wonder if some of it has to do with the MOBO, if some boards put out stronger signals on the ide channle or have better descrimination in the recive side of the controller.
                              hrmmmmm.
                              this is a very good comment on why that cable probably didnt work... cat5 twisted pairs are 1-wire grounded, UDMA cables are 80-wire, every other wire grounded. there has to be some sort of rhyme or reason to the grounding scheme that you are going to use... if you just randomly ground wires... all you are doing is grounding wires... nothing more. the data wires are still interfering with each other....

                              i am planning on making a long cable for my slim/slot dvd that i want to put in my dash (if i ever get around to doing some work on this evil project) i believe that if you do use the cat 5 correctly, then this solution is possible...

                              telephone cable will not work for data transmission, since there is no wire-wire shielding... it will work for power transmission for switches and leds...

                              ~Mike
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