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  • How difficult is fusion brain to use?

    I've been reading on it some and it seems like its rather complicated. It appealed to me because I wanted to have my HVAC controls on a touchscreen and it could be used for engine diagnositcs, but what all is involved in making that happen, and can the new version of fusion brain run independently or is it still reliant on another main pc?

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    It is complicated, but only to the extent it needs to be.

    What I mean by that is that it's very flexible and powerful. Tools like Photoshop are intimidating as well, but must be in order to be so useful.

    The upside is that we will try to help you. HVAC control is possible, however it's going to take some serious effort on the end user's part.

    THe new version will be able to run independently for some tasks... not sure how it'd help your HVAC system to run independently though.

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    • #3
      The hardware side (wiring) is pretty easy. The hardest part I think is the software part of it.

      I agree, you can do some amazing things in Photoshop, you just have to play with it and try to learn it. You definetly need it to create some cool graphics.

      I would also have to say the funnest part is creating your images (graphics) on photoshop.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by greenman100 View Post
        It is complicated, but only to the extent it needs to be.

        What I mean by that is that it's very flexible and powerful. Tools like Photoshop are intimidating as well, but must be in order to be so useful.

        The upside is that we will try to help you. HVAC control is possible, however it's going to take some serious effort on the end user's part.

        THe new version will be able to run independently for some tasks... not sure how it'd help your HVAC system to run independently though.
        I guess the running independently isnt a super huge deal. What all would be involved to make the Hvac system work on its own touchscreen and to create the actual application which the controls are within. I'm pretty solid on the sensors, as that is pretty self explanitory,i hope. lol On the plus side I am pretty decent with imaging! Yay!

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        • #5
          ok, sensors is a good start. There are a few you will need. Now outputs is another thing. You have to determine the best method to interface the actuators in your vehicle. I don't have anything on 94 mustangs with me at the moment, but mode actuators are probably either going to be vac or servomotor. if they are vac, it's going to be pretty easy: determine which actuators are actuated for each mode, make a table and...
          Fan control can be done by using a few relay outputs of the brain to short across each section of the fan speed resistor. a couple of pressure switches for AC can either be inputs to the brain, but most likely those pressure switches are inputs already to your bcm and you can just have a single output to the BCM and not the AC compressor directly. It depends on your setup. so a bit of work to figure that kind of stuff out but it's pretty straight forward. The hardest part of the hardware thing will be controlling temperature, it is almost certainly a servomotor in your car, but finding out which of the few methods of controlling that servo is key. some servos just take a voltage to go up, another to go down, and even another to hold. A feedback pot on the servo tells systems when to hold, etc. That would be an ideal situation, as it requires no analog output charactaristics. But there are several other types to look out for that do require analog output. You could always just use another servo that has those charactaristics, but I'm into finding a way to control what's there. I prefer usually to avoid mechanical hacking. I'm just breezing over things here though.

          AND THEN!!!!!

          it's software. and it's not that bad. especially now. get your list of inputs and outputs together and set them aside. get busy on PS and make a picture (preferably one made of several layers of PNG pics. And make your controls what you want:

          How do you want to control fan speed?
          How do you want to control temperature?
          How do you want to change modes (floor,bi,panel,def,recirc, etc)?
          Do you want automatic control?

          ask yourself these things when drawing up your pretty picture. Take a peek at my unfinished modernity skin to kind of get what I'm talking about.

          Automagic control is not as easy as it looks, but it is all logic, and now very possible.

          Now with your picture you are going to have buttons, indicators, etc. You can build all of those in PS, put them in a file, and then run the new configurator.

          Start a graphics page....actually, you should define inputs and outputs, and some variables for each first. turn those inputs into Farenheight numbers(here's how.) and then make those numbers.

          make outputs dependant on variables, change the variables with buttons, then in the logic, do some if Varible = X, turn output A on.

          it's kind of like that, and it with the new configurator, you don't have to learn too much code.

          There is a learning curve, and it takes some time.

          I hope that gave a bit of a feel for how easy it is.
          It's been a while...

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          • #6
            I always like to look at new projects as a way to learn things and a lot of the things involved in this project aren't too familiar to me, but at least there are some nice people here on the forums to help out and im glad the software gets me away from writing code because I was not looking forward to havin to learn that. I have a good friend who will probably be able to give me some guidance as well. Is there anyone on the forums who has completed a touchscreen HVAC project using fusion brain? What are some really unique things that have been done with it?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 94gt View Post
              Is there anyone on the forums who has completed a touchscreen HVAC project using fusion brain? What are some really unique things that have been done with it?
              I don't think anyone but greenman100 has fully controlled his automotive HVAC system with a brain, and if they have, they weren't public with it, I don't think. He did it with a more original version of the control software. I don't think he did a write up on it though.

              As for original, someone did a really cool christmas light show using their car, it was set to music (like the infamous front yard you-tube light show) and he also put it on you tube. That was with the brain.

              And someone else just posted that he had successfully used a brain to drive a tractor remotely, utilizing GPS.

              Both are in some threads, if you look around in this subforum.
              It's been a while...

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              • #8
                Like i just said in another thread, the possibilities! lol

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by h3rk View Post
                  I don't think anyone but greenman100 has fully controlled his automotive HVAC system with a brain, and if they have, they weren't public with it, I don't think. He did it with a more original version of the control software. I don't think he did a write up on it though.
                  Mine actually just controls the blower. The heat flap and defrost flaps are still controled manually.

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                  • #10
                    What all have you done with it Greenman, being the creator and all...

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                    • #11
                      Mine is set up to control the blower, and sense engine coolant temperature, inside and outside temperatures.

                      I'd like to do more, but to be honest I'm pretty busy, and would rather help you guys

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                      • #12
                        Mine controls everything I need it to. The stock climate control had the 5 different blower modes but I only ever used face/defrost so I have it just toggle between those. The heater was the toughest part as it's run by bowden cables so I had to build a linear actuator and use the fusion brain to switch the polarity going to the motor in order to push/pull. The one thing lacking that I'd like to eventually be able to do is the ANTILINK function where by activating one of the blower speeds would deactivate any others that were on. I never got it to work correctly and MDX seems a little too complicated for me right now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cambre View Post
                          Mine controls everything I need it to. The stock climate control had the 5 different blower modes but I only ever used face/defrost so I have it just toggle between those. The heater was the toughest part as it's run by bowden cables so I had to build a linear actuator and use the fusion brain to switch the polarity going to the motor in order to push/pull. The one thing lacking that I'd like to eventually be able to do is the ANTILINK function where by activating one of the blower speeds would deactivate any others that were on. I never got it to work correctly and MDX seems a little too complicated for me right now.

                          http://www.fusioncontrolcentre.com/s...sion2FINAL.zip

                          That is the latest and FINAL build of version 2.

                          It has ANTILINKS working correctly. They work just like LINKS do, but opposite.
                          Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
                          1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
                          30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
                          15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
                          Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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                          • #14
                            That looks funtional! Glad the help is available.

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                            • #15
                              Newbie with a working FB! Great product guys...

                              I have a couple questions and some constructive criticism (ment to be taken as being helpful):

                              1) It took about 2 hrs of trial and error to get it to work, but it is working. Would you guys care for some assistance in building a single PDF'd manual complete with troubleshooting guide and advanced users section? There is a ton of information on this forum and it would help IMHO to capture the hard info in one reference location, not to mention keeping happy customers happy (like me) and saving you time from having to help people with "The simple stuff".

                              My issues thus far include:
                              Identifying which software is esential, (just to get it to work).
                              Identifying the order of file installation
                              Identifying Files that needed to be modified (when, why and how)
                              Terminology consistancy - Multiple references to the "Hardware ID" - but what is really needed is the "Instance ID" ( that one ate up most of my install time)

                              2) On of the outputs (The lightbulb) cycles on and off rapidly when turned on with the default software configuration. If you decrease the rate with the "LED SPEED" button, it crashes the program. Is this a known issue, is there a fix, or is this just unique to me?

                              3) I bought a temperature sensor with mine, and I have not found a "sample" setup to display its input value. When the next software version is released, could you put that in as a "Getting Started" helper?

                              I'd like to help out as I think this is awesome.

                              What kind of volume can you produce these boards at? i.e. if I need 100 of them in a week, can you make that happen? A friend of mine is thinking of creating a production product based on it.

                              Thanks Again,

                              TS

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