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  • Noob has some biginner questions about the Fusion Brain

    I just started on my quest to try a project for my car. And I think the Fusion Brain is full of WIN and may be the right thing for me. I have a few questions that may be covered before but searching comes up with alot of other stuff.


    Can I program the Fusion Brain via the USB and then have it disconnected from the USB and have the Fusion Brain be completely independent from a PC? Basically only have the Fusion Brain connected when updates are needed, but once disconnected from USB it functions completely independent?

    Do you have any examples of code / programing / settings needed for some popular applications for your project. For Example:

    I plan on using an autometer sensor that has power and an 0.01 - 5.0 volt output for measuring fuel pressure, oil pressure and boost. I think this would be a great service to the community to have an example of how to implement this device within a "gauge replacement" environment.

    Do you have some pictures of scale of your device? Maybe next to a pack of cigarettes / gum, a coke can? I realize that dimensions are posted on your site, but I'm having a little issue visualizing scale without having it in my hand.

    Does the Fusion brain have outputs in hexadecimal so that one could connect it to display. I plan on using an LCD or a VFD 2x40 display and I don't see how to connect or set it up to the proposed display.

    I've noticed your company has post ALOT of code in support of your device and its greatly appreciated. Will there be more examples of .xml code made available? and is there a list of developers / designers / programmers (may be a sticky I might start) that are available to assist the non-coders of this world to develop software for the Fusion Brain

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    Can I program the Fusion Brain via the USB and then have it disconnected from the USB and have the Fusion Brain be completely independent from a PC? Basically only have the Fusion Brain connected when updates are needed, but once disconnected from USB it functions completely independent?
    As of right now, no.

    Do you have any examples of code / programing / settings needed for some popular applications for your project. For Example:

    I plan on using an autometer sensor that has power and an 0.01 - 5.0 volt output for measuring fuel pressure, oil pressure and boost. I think this would be a great service to the community to have an example of how to implement this device within a "gauge replacement" environment.
    We're transitioning to a new software we wrote called MDX. Once we finish, we will do more tutorials... but in the meantime, we encourage you to download and play with it. It's fairly intuitive.

    Do you have some pictures of scale of your device? Maybe next to a pack of cigarettes / gum, a coke can? I realize that dimensions are posted on your site, but I'm having a little issue visualizing scale without having it in my hand.
    It's the size of a playing card.


    Does the Fusion brain have outputs in hexadecimal so that one could connect it to display. I plan on using an LCD or a VFD 2x40 display and I don't see how to connect or set it up to the proposed display.
    The brain only communicates over USB as of now.

    I've noticed your company has post ALOT of code in support of your device and its greatly appreciated. Will there be more examples of .xml code made available? and is there a list of developers / designers / programmers (may be a sticky I might start) that are available to assist the non-coders of this world to develop software for the Fusion Brain
    The best thing to do is just post a question, and Nick or I will answer it. If we're lucky, someone else will chime in first!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phreaknes View Post
      Can I program the Fusion Brain via the USB and then have it disconnected from the USB and have the Fusion Brain be completely independent from a PC? Basically only have the Fusion Brain connected when updates are needed, but once disconnected from USB it functions completely independent?
      Hopefully in the future but right now the Fusion Brain must be tethered to a PC to work.

      Originally posted by phreaknes View Post
      Do you have any examples of code / programing / settings needed for some popular applications for your project. For Example:

      I plan on using an autometer sensor that has power and an 0.01 - 5.0 volt output for measuring fuel pressure, oil pressure and boost. I think this would be a great service to the community to have an example of how to implement this device within a "gauge replacement" environment.
      Do you have a datasheet for this sensor, or at least a way to measure data points and various known settings? If so then you can create a formula to map voltage to pressure. One does exists, you just have to find/approximate it.

      Then in the MDX Configurator, just layout the function. Take a look at the prebuilt functions to see how it is done, and you should catch on rather fast.

      Originally posted by phreaknes View Post
      Do you have some pictures of scale of your device? Maybe next to a pack of cigarettes / gum, a coke can? I realize that dimensions are posted on your site, but I'm having a little issue visualizing scale without having it in my hand.
      Here are some pictures of the beta board. The production board is 1mm smaller.








      Originally posted by phreaknes View Post
      Does the Fusion brain have outputs in hexadecimal so that one could connect it to display. I plan on using an LCD or a VFD 2x40 display and I don't see how to connect or set it up to the proposed display.
      No LCD display directly from the Fusion Brain is supported right now. A PC screen can display much more than a character LCD screen anyways!

      Originally posted by phreaknes View Post
      I've noticed your company has post ALOT of code in support of your device and its greatly appreciated. Will there be more examples of .xml code made available? and is there a list of developers / designers / programmers (may be a sticky I might start) that are available to assist the non-coders of this world to develop software for the Fusion Brain
      There will be many more examples once I get some spare time. Currently the configurator is like 90% finished and once that is 100%, I can move towards documentation. For now just ask a question and we will try to help or some of the other helpful members on here that have picked up the language very fast. Once you look at it, it will become blatently obvious as with xml everything is english. Like guess what the following xml tag does:

      Code:
      default_state="on"
      If you said make the default state be on, you would be correct! So with that line of code, the program will set the digital output port it describes to on when the program starts.
      Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
      1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
      30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
      15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
      Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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      • #4
        Thank you very much for your very prompt replys! This community needs more vendors and supporter like yourselves.

        Unfortunately I don't think you're product will serve my needs at this moment. I'm looking to create something like the picture below.



        I want to display my gauges without the need of a PC and the tether of a USB as space is very tight in my situation.

        I have the data sheets for some of the autometer sensor in my office, I can translate them and post them up tomorrow. Here are the ones for the boost gauge coming off a 2 bar map with a 5v supply

        Sensor voltage vs pressure:
        voltage pressure
        4.90 14.3
        4.84 14.0
        4.67 13.0
        4.50 12.0
        4.33 11.0
        4.16 10.0
        3.99 9.0
        3.82 8.0
        3.47 6.0
        3.13 4.0
        2.79 2.0
        2.45 0.0
        2.03 -2.4
        1.61 -4.9
        1.19 -7.4
        0.77 -9.9
        0.35 -12.3
        0.02 -14.3

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        • #5
          .... so why not just buy gauges?

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          • #6
            because I have a very custom car and I have everything hidden from normal sight. I would be adding at least 1 gauge and upwards of 4 to do what I want.



            I just HATE the look of just about all gauges, so I want something suttle and different.

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            • #7
              Ok, so that brings us to the next obvious question, why independant from the PC, and why not use a mirror with a colour tft screen in it?
              Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
              1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
              30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
              15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
              Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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              • #8
                I have a Lincoln mark VIII show car thats making about 600hp. I already have a car PC, I don't want to wait for the PC to boot up waiting to see if I have good oil pressure or fuel pressure. The Auto PC is for general use entertainment purposes. This concept is critical and has to function in the off / on / ignition positions.

                Thats why I was asking about the tether to USB, a self contained unit would be perfect.

                needless to say a TFT rearview mirror would require a PC.

                Yea Yea I know i'm on a CarPc site but the members here have a good sense of development to their thinking most of the time.

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                • #9
                  well, EVENTUALLY it will be standalone.

                  we just can't make any promises on when.

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                  • #10
                    man that will be a great day. Got any test samples or need of beta testers.

                    *wink wink*

                    I'm already looking at a student development kit for the lil sister of your base chip to see what this thing is all about.

                    My programming kung fu is weak at best. I haven't coded anything since college and that was in the early 90's

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                    • #11
                      there's a lot of beginner pic projects out there in books, and online that cover using ADCs, and with programmable PICs, and then driving small LCD's with the pics results. What you want is a pretty custom deal, and not too complicated (relatively speaking, as I don't know your experience and comfort level with such a thing). It would be a good beginner+ project to tackle, I think. There are a lot of electronics forums out there that would be very helpful, like this one is, for building tthe guts of your black box. But as always, if you do the footwork, and then come armed with questions from your research, and you'll get pretty far.

                      EDIT: Obviously I posted this after a coffee break, and without refreshing =|
                      It's been a while...

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                      • #12
                        h3rk

                        Yea thats what i'm kinda working on now. I like being a little progressive. I've had a autoPC in my car since 2003 long before it was the hot thing to do. This I see as another step forward. Simple, clean, intergrated, flexible. If I get this to work the way I want it I'd like to fully automate my NO2 system also but thats down the line.

                        I just cant have a these gauges connected to a Auto PC. This has to be Solid state kinda stuff.

                        The PIC stuff is very interesting but a challenge. I'll have no problem with the hardware or the build, it's the programming that will make or break this project.

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                        • #13
                          I'd consider the NO2 system to be critical, along with steering, brakes, throttle, etc. Any time you play in that arena with computer control, you need to absolutely have a fail-safe built in.

                          Legally, I don't think the fusion brain creators can endorse using their product for something like that due to liability issues. That said, I'm using one to control the steering on a tractor, but I'm using it at speeds slow enough that a failure isn't life threatening.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mx270a View Post
                            I'd consider the NO2 system to be critical, along with steering, brakes, throttle, etc. Any time you play in that arena with computer control, you need to absolutely have a fail-safe built in.

                            Legally, I don't think the fusion brain creators can endorse using their product for something like that due to liability issues. That said, I'm using one to control the steering on a tractor, but I'm using it at speeds slow enough that a failure isn't life threatening.
                            exactly. Customers have asked for advice on doing ignition, cruise ocntrol, etc, and we can't approve of it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by phreaknes View Post
                              man that will be a great day. Got any test samples or need of beta testers.
                              here here.!!

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