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  • Windows vs. Macintosh Carpc

    Hello ladies and getlemen,

    I am an IT guy and I both use Windows at work and Macintosh at home. Both the latest versions, Vista and Mac OSX Leopard, the latter being an amazing OS.

    Since many application have been written for carpc use, I am going to ask you all to give your opinion on each one and discuss the pros and cons and features.

    So far, it's been told that Windows has a more range of products for Carpc use but macintosh ease of use and sleek interface is really tempting too.

    The good news is that with the new intel base Apples, now one driver can boot to either of them of his or her choice. We are going to discuss that too.

    All ideas are greatly helpful for everyone.

    Thanks again,
    Samantec

    at aim dot kom
    Pajero/Montero 3500

  • #2
    as long as the interface is concerned, although we can add logos and acceptable interfaces and welcome page, the mac is beautiful by itself. it really impresses the new comer passengers, if one intends to.
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    • #3
      I don't understand what your question has to do with Fusion...

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      • #4
        Thread moved to general forum.

        This topic has been covered extensively in the past. Windows has better software support, more flexibility in configuration, and OS stability is not an issue in the car. Try here for more info.
        Originally posted by ghettocruzer
        I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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        • #5
          Thanks then I will take a look at the provided links.
          Samantec

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          Pajero/Montero 3500

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          • #6
            The OS shouldn't be your deciding factor. Pick the front end you like best and install the OS that is required because other than bootup, you're most likely never going to see the desktop. BTW, what software is that in the screenshot? I built a hackintosh a while back on a Dell laptop but all I ended up doing with it is surf the internet.

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            • #7
              That is Front Row, the multimedia software that comes on the Mac. Does photos, music, movies and so forth. A lot of people using Macs in their cars run just FR.
              Originally posted by ghettocruzer
              I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by LittleDragon View Post
                The OS shouldn't be your deciding factor. Pick the front end you like best and install the OS that is required because other than bootup, you're most likely never going to see the desktop. BTW, what software is that in the screenshot? I built a hackintosh a while back on a Dell laptop but all I ended up doing with it is surf the internet.
                I got from your post that maybe you are not a mac user. actually it is so stable, so easy to work with and so impressive that really some people readily lose some features but although lacking some in carputer, it's so cool.

                1. the sleep and wake up problem almost doesn't exist in a mac carputer. I've had a powerbook for 4 years now and I have never had the problem of hibernating or standing by. Now for more portability, I use a 12 inch HP tablet and everytime I have lots of issues. Sometimes it sounds in my back pack.
                2. it works with wireless peripheral like a breeze. I've never had the problem of recognizing or not recognizing my keyboard and mouse or my sony erricson telephone.
                3. I think the universal remote control that comes with every mac makes a great car remote controller for multimedia.
                4. Frontrow looks and effects are amazing. no one can tell that you can make the same in a pc.
                5. Being a Unix Based (FreeBSD) core system, it's so stable, so cpu efficient that Microsoft products are losing everyday. No one is talking about putting a Vista in his car because no matter how much you put in your system, it's just not enough. Putting aside that some effects are a mere immitation of mac.
                6. If you install a VLC player you can almost watch any format. Of course I use GOM Player in Windows and it is damn good but Multimedia experience in Mac is something else.

                7. Check the network location in a mac. you can make tens of location and network settings and from one place to the other, stay connected by a mouse click.

                The list really goes on....
                However, being a SUV owner, I know GPS support is not something we all can ignore among other things. Windows has lots of programs out there.

                So up to now, as we are talking and I am still deciding myself. I think a intel based Apple product like mac mini is the best because you can switch to Windows or boot from Windows whenever you need to. and just whenever you really need to.
                Samantec

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                Pajero/Montero 3500

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                • #9
                  i went with mac in my car solely for the reason of the way that the mac comes out of sleep, you virtually never have to unplug/replug your usb devices in order for them to work. i could not imagine everytime i start up my car having to go reach behind the pc and unplug everything and then replug it all in. that would suck. as you mentioned before you can boot either os in the new macs so at least then you have the option of switching if you don't like the current enviroment.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by samantech View Post
                    I got from your post that maybe you are not a mac user. actually it is so stable, so easy to work with and so impressive that really some people readily lose some features but although lacking some in carputer, it's so cool.
                    Kinda right but kinda not. I call myself an OSX user but not a Mac user. I'm very familiar with the OS and actually quite like it but I can not stand Apple as a company and frankly, I find a lot of mac users to be quite smug and hypocritical. My Dell laptop costs hundreds less than a comparable mac and can do everything a mac can. It runs OSX 10.5.2 as it's main OS and also has partitions for XP/Vista/KDE4.

                    But really, don't let your preference of OS dictate your choice of a front end. I never have any issues with sleep or stability but then again, I'm using Server 2003 rather than XP or Vista. If you want something stable, why choose a desktop OS? Believe me, I've had my share of kernel panics with Leopard.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by samantech View Post
                      I got from your post that maybe you are not a mac user. actually it is so stable, so easy to work with and so impressive that really some people readily lose some features but although lacking some in carputer, it's so cool.

                      1. the sleep and wake up problem almost doesn't exist in a mac carputer. I've had a powerbook for 4 years now and I have never had the problem of hibernating or standing by. Now for more portability, I use a 12 inch HP tablet and everytime I have lots of issues. Sometimes it sounds in my back pack.
                      2. it works with wireless peripheral like a breeze. I've never had the problem of recognizing or not recognizing my keyboard and mouse or my sony erricson telephone.
                      3. I think the universal remote control that comes with every mac makes a great car remote controller for multimedia.
                      4. Frontrow looks and effects are amazing. no one can tell that you can make the same in a pc.
                      5. Being a Unix Based (FreeBSD) core system, it's so stable, so cpu efficient that Microsoft products are losing everyday. No one is talking about putting a Vista in his car because no matter how much you put in your system, it's just not enough. Putting aside that some effects are a mere immitation of mac.
                      6. If you install a VLC player you can almost watch any format. Of course I use GOM Player in Windows and it is damn good but Multimedia experience in Mac is something else.

                      7. Check the network location in a mac. you can make tens of location and network settings and from one place to the other, stay connected by a mouse click.

                      The list really goes on....
                      However, being a SUV owner, I know GPS support is not something we all can ignore among other things. Windows has lots of programs out there.

                      So up to now, as we are talking and I am still deciding myself. I think a intel based Apple product like mac mini is the best because you can switch to Windows or boot from Windows whenever you need to. and just whenever you really need to.
                      A car computing environment is different from using one on your desktop and Windows XP works extremely well in the car. I've heard from many users that Vista also works well.

                      The USB and sleep/wake problems you cite are the result of the many and varied hardware configurations on the PC side. You don't see it with Apple because you don't have too many choices for configurations.

                      The solution is to buy a PC configuration that works properly, not necessarily to decide the OS is to blame. It is a matter of combining the right hardware for the PC. Apple does this for you, which is nice. For some people.

                      Wireless peripherals shouldn't be a problem with good quality hardware either.

                      As for efficiency, you need to back that up with numbers. But even if you do, why do I care if it takes 5% more cycles for my car PC to display a DVD as long as it doesn't skip? Not to mention that the demands on the processor in the car are not usually too demanding for a modern CPU.

                      Before you think I'm slamming Macs, look at my system configuration. I run a Mac in my car. But I also have run Windows and am in the process of building a Windows system to take advantage of the breadth and depth of car PC software and hardware that is Windows only. Why not buy an Intel Mini? It's cheaper to build it myself because I've got enough bits and pieces laying around to do it for a song. I'm even considering turning it into a Hackintosh for kicks.

                      I understand why you prefer Macs to Windows, I do too, but you really have to separate the in car environment from broader considerations.
                      Originally posted by ghettocruzer
                      I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
                      Want to:
                      -Find out about the new iBug iPad install?
                      -Find out about carPC's in just 5 minutes? View the Car PC 101 video

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bugbyte View Post
                        A car computing environment is different from using one on your desktop and Windows XP works extremely well in the car. I've heard from many users that Vista also works well.

                        The USB and sleep/wake problems you cite are the result of the many and varied hardware configurations on the PC side. You don't see it with Apple because you don't have too many choices for configurations.

                        The solution is to buy a PC configuration that works properly, not necessarily to decide the OS is to blame. It is a matter of combining the right hardware for the PC. Apple does this for you, which is nice. For some people.

                        Wireless peripherals shouldn't be a problem with good quality hardware either.

                        As for efficiency, you need to back that up with numbers. But even if you do, why do I care if it takes 5% more cycles for my car PC to display a DVD as long as it doesn't skip? Not to mention that the demands on the processor in the car are not usually too demanding for a modern CPU.

                        Before you think I'm slamming Macs, look at my system configuration. I run a Mac in my car. But I also have run Windows and am in the process of building a Windows system to take advantage of the breadth and depth of car PC software and hardware that is Windows only. Why not buy an Intel Mini? It's cheaper to build it myself because I've got enough bits and pieces laying around to do it for a song. I'm even considering turning it into a Hackintosh for kicks.

                        I understand why you prefer Macs to Windows, I do too, but you really have to separate the in car environment from broader considerations.

                        I bought my first Apple product which was a powerbook almost four years ago with a 1.2 Ghz of Powerpc Cpu. I was running Panther. After a while I upgraded to Tiger with all those blows and whistles. And now that Leopard is available, I upgraded to Leopard and still I am working with my laptop without problems. I wish it was a little bit faster but it really does the job. I am not going to install a benchmark maker or refer to numbers given by vendors to promote their own products but it really works.

                        You mentioned that apple just works because it chooses the hardware too. I have tried pre-packed products like PC notebooks from different vendors including sony, hp, dell, etc and all are similar because of Windows.

                        Have you ever tried to eject your usb storage and windows says you can't? and you are sure that no file is being used and no windows is open.

                        I am using Windows everyday if not mac. Our company servers are all hp running Windows 2003, my own laptop is hp right now writing this post and my company desktop is windows. I assembe tens of pcs everyweek for fellow workers. I am not going to deny Windows being Ubiquitous. They are everywhere, so are the threats and support of software for them. But there are many people who wants systems to work in their car and are not as creative as you and I am to look for bits and cpus around the house to make a full-featured PC.

                        Thank you all for the reading. next posts I try to be more car pc focused and informative.
                        Samantec

                        at aim dot kom
                        Pajero/Montero 3500

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by samantech View Post
                          You mentioned that apple just works because it chooses the hardware too. I have tried pre-packed products like PC notebooks from different vendors including sony, hp, dell, etc and all are similar because of Windows.
                          Prepackaged PC's are still not the same. Microsoft would have to pick out components and manufacture the final product for that comparison to work. Just curious when was the last time you had a Windows blue screen that was caused by Windows and not some 3rd party driver/software?


                          Originally posted by samantech View Post
                          Have you ever tried to eject your usb storage and windows says you can't? and you are sure that no file is being used and no windows is open.

                          I've had problems with OSX when copying over a network. If the link is cut, OSX would lose the destination AND the source files... something that they fixed in Tiger yet resurfaced in Leopard... Every OS has it's problems, Microsoft just doesn't shove out 500 meg downloads every few months to fix their problems.

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                          • #14
                            Every OS had its own problems. but not every day, every minute problems.

                            and yes I accept that Microsoft has a difficult job matching all those components on the market or vice versa. but let's talk about feature sets:

                            Do you consider Windows as modern?
                            Samantec

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                            Pajero/Montero 3500

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                            • #15
                              If you are bashing windows, you obviously are just going with the hype. I have had osx crash big time before and xp crash.

                              Windows is a good product. They made a stupid choice with Vista, but to idiots that have never used a computer before, they embrace its simpleness.

                              I have many PCs. I have one XP box that has not been restarted in over 3 years. Still running XP, no service packs. Always responsive, always works. I do not see crashes everyday. I have worked on macs before that crashed all the time, and usually in the middle of writing an essay.

                              Point is, every OS has its faults. Microsoft made a better one. More people use it. More companies use it. More developers use it. With the big developer backing, more programs are made for it. As with all programs some are junk, and some dont play nice with others. It is a fact of life the more stuff you put together the probability of something not working goes up.
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