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  • Has anyone played with Windows Multipoint Server?

    I have a multi-zone PC and I have been tinkering with Windows 7 with Virtual Box to emulate 5 virtual machines. So far it works, but I have issues with USB. Its very hard to pair devices sometimes. Now though I have seen Windows Multipoint Server. Do you guys think this will be a better solution? If I have it installed, can I still use the host as a system also?
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    It's really just a terminal server. It creates a new desktop for each user logged into it. The drawback we have in the classrooms is that the generic account 'student' can only log into it once. After that, the next student logs in as 'student' and it logs the first one out. The fix is that you create user1, user2, user3, etc. That might benefit you in that you could name them for where they are in the vehicle. That might help in keeping things separate as well. The 'kvm' style connector handles all the connections, as well as the individual soundcard connections (for headsets). It's really a neat setup and might take care of a lot of your headaches.

    We use it to save money. We can use existing monitors, keyboards and mice and build 6 stations for around $2200 with the licensing, as opposed to $1100 apiece for 6 desktops.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cmcd2820 View Post
      It's really just a terminal server. It creates a new desktop for each user logged into it. The drawback we have in the classrooms is that the generic account 'student' can only log into it once. After that, the next student logs in as 'student' and it logs the first one out. The fix is that you create user1, user2, user3, etc. That might benefit you in that you could name them for where they are in the vehicle. That might help in keeping things separate as well. The 'kvm' style connector handles all the connections, as well as the individual soundcard connections (for headsets). It's really a neat setup and might take care of a lot of your headaches.

      We use it to save money. We can use existing monitors, keyboards and mice and build 6 stations for around $2200 with the licensing, as opposed to $1100 apiece for 6 desktops.
      Actually that is what I need, User 1, 2, 3, etc. Now the USB connection stuff is where I am lost. Currently my install uses 6 KVMP switches, each has a touchscreen and keyboard attached to it. Those all plug into a 7 port hub, then into the host. Then I have another hub that holds all the sound cards, then plugs into the back of the host. Each USB display adapter is plugged directly into the back of the host. So question is, can I assign devices to a specific station, or do I have to use a 4 port hub for each seat with the devices plugged into those? I mean it would be a headache for me to change if yes, but it is doable. It would be better if I simply assign devices.

      Also how does installing programs work? I want to ideally use Centrafuse (which does not play nice in shared environments), but if I have to a can fall to RR, which I know works some what.
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      • #4
        From what I gather from the install diagrams, you need to have a usb hub for each terminal for keyboard and mouse, and those hubs connect directly to the host computer. Your USB video adapters would have to be connected directly to the host as well.

        You can download a 60 day trial (extendable up to 240 days), so why not give it a whirl?
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        • #5
          The connections are usually via 'thin clients' aka Wise Terminals. They cause the separation of everything. Each terminal becomes a separate desktop. I'll try and get the exact specs on the terminals tomorrow if that tech is in the office.

          Each Wyse terminal creates it's own session, and the keyboard, video, mouse, soundcard, usb ports, etc, are all isolated from each other. As far as front end, I don't know. Maybe installing RR in 'non profile mode' might work? It essentially makes it 5 or 6 (or however many terminals you have) different computers, so each one could be running it's own instance of RR?

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          • #6
            Im going to have to play with it. I'm going to wait till I have all the screens purchased. Im still missing 5 of them. That way i can test better. I emailed MS, so lets see what they say, if they even bother to get back to me.
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            • #7
              You should check out the MS website for Multipoint. There are white papers, installation diagrams, and a lot of information on various pages.
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              • #8
                Yea, ive looked through most of it. They do not say if touchscreens work. I am sure though that you have to split everything up into hubs. That shouldnt be a big deal though. The PC has lots of USB ports.
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                • #9
                  Found an interesting article. Looks like Multipoint may be an option. http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/sup...er-2011-140131

                  I also found this. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...uirements.aspx. So now I need six 4 port hubs. I also need to upgrade my HDD. Its 40gb, but MS MP needs 32gb. So I have a 80gb HDD laying around.
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                  • #10
                    OK, apparently I can not use the onboard audio, unless I am reading wrong. Never the less, I bought a 6th USB soundcard. Only cost me $2.89. Its really cheap, but they work pretty well. They are 7.1 simulated surround sound cards. I also had a 4 port hub laying around, so I decided to order 5 more of the same brand. Cost $12.50 for all 5. They should be here by the end of the week. Now the only thing that is not confirmed is if the MP will work with CF or RR. Even if they dont, I dont care, as long as each user can do his/her own thing.
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                    • #11
                      Guest: "Are you driving?"
                      You: "Yep. Hop in."
                      Guest: "Hey.... why do I have to log in???"

                      hahaha
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kegobeer View Post
                        Guest: "Are you driving?"
                        You: "Yep. Hop in."
                        Guest: "Hey.... why do I have to log in???"

                        hahaha
                        Hey I have to compromise. I am sure there is a auto login feature, lol. The thing is the USB support is just so much better then all the others. Now I will have to do some rewiring with the toggle USB ports, but its so much easier. I just extend to the 4 port hub to each seat. So since each station is a hub, you dont have to fight or guess what port is going to what system. On Virtual Box, half the time the devices would fail for no reason and reconnect to the host.

                        Here is what I say.

                        Me: Are you complaining?
                        Guest: Yes, I dont have to do that in shared PC mode.
                        Me: *Slams on brakes*
                        Me: Well get out and start walking b!+ch.
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                        • #13
                          OK, I installed it, and I am in love. Its so easy to setup. Just plug in a 4 port hub, install the devices, then go into normal mode and its done. Where I had issues is with touchscreen. They say that touchscreen can be used but I couldnt get it to work. I need to get all the stations up first. What I need to know is how can I get a license key? I know its for educational use, but do you think MS will sell me a key? From reading, a key $330.00?
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                          • #14
                            Were you getting errors when trying to use touchscreen? Have you looked in the Windows event viewer to see if any warnings were logged? I wonder if a standard VGA/DVI/HDMI touchscreen would work, but the USB to VGA video card is causing the problem? That would be pretty easy to check, if you could throw another video card in your rig.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kegobeer View Post
                              Were you getting errors when trying to use touchscreen? Have you looked in the Windows event viewer to see if any warnings were logged? I wonder if a standard VGA/DVI/HDMI touchscreen would work, but the USB to VGA video card is causing the problem? That would be pretty easy to check, if you could throw another video card in your rig.
                              What I tried to do is just plug the TS in. Nothing. I then installed the touchkit drivers and was able to do a touchscreen calibration on the station, but once the calibration was done, nothing. The USB to VGA are fine. I used the drivers for multipoint from DisplayLink. Station B is on the PCIe card. I have not made any for the USB to VGA ports.
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