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    I've had several people tell me that what I was doing was illegal, and I wouldn't pass inspection for it (i know this is state dependant...). Anybody know anything about the actual laws that might be of import?
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  • #2
    Well here is one way around any laws, every state allows an lcd screen for GPS Navigation, just make sure the GPS (Or a screenshot) is always up if you get pulled over or go for inspection.
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    • #3
      What do you mean? Are you not allowed to have a LCD screen without GPS navigation??

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      • #4
        If it's able to be seen by the driver while the vehicle is in motion... thats pretty much the case.

        Most states (iirc, all of them) prohibit video monitors in cars that can been viewed by the driver. This basically covers any type of lcd screen, (excluding the text-only ones). But like Frodo stated, most have added provisions that allow GPS systems... so by all means if you get pulled over, have your car inspected, etc.. have the GPS displaying if the monitor is on.

        There might be other ways around the laws around the country... but here there are only two legal uses:
        - GPS
        - those that supplement the rear-view mirror
        All other monitor capabilities are illegal.

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        • #5
          here's the deal.. j-walking is illegal too.. how many people get tickets for that. I have a ton of friends who are NY state troopers and they love my setup. Its illegal if the driver can see moving images.. IE movies and such. They said they don't care... but if I were to get in an accident with my computer and screen on.. then lawyers would target me as the one who caused it even if I didn't.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by hijinks21
            here's the deal.. j-walking is illegal too.. how many people get tickets for that.
            There is no doubt quite a bit of tolerance... but all you need is that one ***-hole of a cop to see your monitor while he's driving behind you, or like you stated... an accident where it could be targeted as the cause.

            My old setup had the montior on attached to the dash, so anyone behind me could see it clear as day... While numerous numbers of cops were behind me at stop lights without incident, eventually I ran into that ***-hole. Pulled me over explicitly for the monitor. No ticket, but a notice that it had to be removed, and a trip to the station to prove it (of course it wasn't anything too custom, and was re-installed just a few short hours after showing it was gone).

            Some areas are just more prone to upholding the law in the most strict of manner... heck, I've had to remove the tint on not one, but two cars becuase the tint was too dark.

            The main point is that you should at least have an understanding of the laws wherever you are (and take them into consideration while designing your system).

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            • #7
              There a Number of Cars (mostly) High end that come with pre-installed LCD monitors in the dash (Heck the new VW SUV has one in the instrutment panel)
              so I think as long as you are not watching a Movie while on the freeway you can tell any Cops that pull you over to shove that baton where the sun don't shine.

              I don't see how having a Listing of MP3 tracks on the screen is any more "distracting" then a GPS/ NAV system where you have to follow the little arrow.

              If a Police officers pulls me over for mine onces its installed I think there will be hell to pay for it, but then again I like tilting at windmills its just my personallity.

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              • #8
                I heard that in some states you can have a screen if its for your audio use. What I can't understand about indash units is why the FCC allows the import / production of these units if they are illegal because you can buy them at most good car audio places. I would argue that it is no more distracting then the high end sony units with the visulisations on them like the one below

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                • #9
                  I talked to my uncle who is a police oficer who says that radio functionality is also legal. There are some cars (old and new) with a touchscreen for radio, heat, A/C gas milage, etc. The only thing illegal (as far as I know) is a video display (television or movies) in the view of the driver while the vehicle is moving. Im not sure, but I think most DVD headunits have a wire to connect to the emergency/hand brake to conform to this law. Im in PA by the way.

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                  • #10
                    Despite my initial thoughts of using the pull out 7" DIN LCD, I decided to fiberglass in my monitor to make it look more stock and less inviting for trouble (from "curious" authorities and less likely to catch the eyes of thieves)...

                    I had the opportunity to play with the OEM LCD stereo and navigation unit that is an option in VW Touregs and wish to make my homebuilt system match the simplicity of use the have. As long as I donít have any moving images such as video or even visualizations, I donít see myself having a problem.

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                    • #11
                      I am sorry but why are you guys talking about laws? Speeding is illegal and everyone i know does it.everything in my car is illegal. blue neons, two 15" subs, tvs in both my visors.And i dont have problems with cops.If you so paranoid about it then simply dont do it.

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                      • #12
                        Plus it's nice to give the cop an "Excuse" to give you a fix it ticket for that speeding violation, to show he's busy writing tickets, but for you it's $15-$20 and the PITA to remove and re-install, but it shure beats $150-$200 for a speeding ticket !!!

                        Heck in my car I'll be lucky if he gets me on the LCD, since all the under the hood stuff is a lot harder to un-install inspect and re-install :
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                        • #13
                          I think carPuters are a Grey area in the law, as long as no movies are playing you can get away with it, as for as a Police officer with a stick up his butt giving you a fix it ticket it "COULD" happen I have a few friends that have gotten tickets for Exabisition of Noise and had to Remove their stereos (In some cases that is dozens of hours of work or more)

                          Heck back in my younger days the Local installer had a chair with my name written on it in masking tape (yes I was there that offen) the Installation in my Suburban was over 100 hours of shop labor (I don't do that anymore I need my hearing, I just don't need 142Db driving down the road to work and back)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by belezeebub
                            I think carPuters are a Grey area in the law, as long as no movies are playing you can get away with it, as for as a Police officer with a stick up his butt giving you a fix it ticket it "COULD" happen I have a few friends that have gotten tickets for Exabisition of Noise and had to Remove their stereos (In some cases that is dozens of hours of work or more)

                            Heck back in my younger days the Local installer had a chair with my name written on it in masking tape (yes I was there that offen) the Installation in my Suburban was over 100 hours of shop labor (I don't do that anymore I need my hearing, I just don't need 142Db driving down the road to work and back)
                            I just drove to New Hampshire from Minnesota and back...I watched ten movies in total, I tried to watch T.V but the reception isn't very good when moving...I didn't even bring a map, Co-Pilot was my Co-Pilot. Watching (glancing) at movies made the time go by much FASTER! Cops didn't give me any hassle!
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                            • #15
                              Quick give me the make model, Color and license number of your car cause if you are going down the freeway at 70 watching a Movie I don't want to be ANYWHERE near you even "glancing" away for a few seconds is long enough to rearend some fool that desided to stop and let the Pink elephants cross the freeway.

                              I am leery about other drivers back when I had my Surburban I got rear-ended once and side swipped twice by other drivers that "SWORE they looked and didn't see me" Not sure how you can miss a Black Surburban sitting on 38x14.50x17, Blown 454 and dual cherry bomb mufflers, hell back then you could hear me 2 miles away if the stereo was on LOW



                              I have used my car stereo for so long I can with the remote only go to any of over 650 Mp3's I used to carry, when I had my Empeg unit I could hit any song within 2 for any of the 7000 mp3's tracks I had (I have burned all my cd's tapes and records to mp3 I never want to have to do that again it takes a long time)




                              Originally posted by bosstone74
                              I just drove to New Hampshire from Minnesota and back...I watched ten movies in total, I tried to watch T.V but the reception isn't very good when moving...I didn't even bring a map, Co-Pilot was my Co-Pilot. Watching (glancing) at movies made the time go by much FASTER! Cops didn't give me any hassle!

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