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    Hey everyone, I'm trying to convert a Synaptics Touchpad,Model # TM41PUK324, I recently took out of a Compaq Armada E500 to a ps/2 connection, but I'm not quite sure what the pinouts are. I looked at the synaptics touchpad interface document, but my model isn't mentioned there, and it doesn't have flat ribbon cable, it uses a 4 pin connection cable that goes straight from the touchpad's board to the motherboard. Would those be the 4 pins I could use for the ps/2 connection?

    The 4 Pins are:
    1. Black
    2. Brown
    3. Red
    4. Orangish Yellow

    Synaptics Interfacing Guide & Other Docs:
    http://www.synaptics.com/support/dev_support.cfm

  • #2
    Most likely yes. Check out one of the couple existing threads that detail how you might go about identifying those pins if you cannot find the pinout.

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    • #3
      ok i chopped a ps2 cable off of an old compaq mouse i had lying around and it also had 4 pins, 3 of the colors matched up and the 4th didn't. The orangish-yellow, black, and red colored wires were in both the mouse and touchpad connection, so i tried just connecting these to see if they matched up, and then tried just connection the 4th set of wires (brown wire from touchpad to yellow wire in ps/2 cord) The result?? Once i plugged in the ps/2 cable into my laptop, the touchpad got VERY HOT after just a few seconds, and I had to unplug it before it started 2 burn me and put it down to let it cool. Now, obviously that didn't work, but any clue what I might be able to do? I can't find the pinout for my specific model, and special instructions u can offer?

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      • #4
        I want to be helpful but it's hard when you apparently ignore my advice. Did you even try searching the forum? About 10 posts down (at the moment) is this thread which covers what there is to cover.

        Good luck.

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        • #5
          Mushin, sorry, i didn't mean to make u feel as though ur advice was ignored. I did my searching of this forum on this topic and that thread was one of the first I found. However, the specific advice it offers doesn't match my model and its 4 pin connection type, and its general advice hasn't helped me to identify the pinouts yet.

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          • #6
            curious you got any luck with that touchpad yet? I have the exact same model as well. I hope you did not blew up something on it from what you mention getting real hot.

            Only thing im definite by looking at the pcb is the ground lol, red here looks ambiguous to the +5 v, judging by the other pin layouts provided in thier websites. But anxious as I am I did a test and error try with Black - ground, Brown - Data, Red - +5v, Orange - Clock. However nothing responded, as i havent installed the driver as well but I dont think i need it. Hmm I will try installing it later however. Tell me if you got it working.

            Pin 1 (black) - ground
            Pin 2 (Brown)
            Pin 3 (Red)
            Pin 4 (Orange)

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            • #7
              I too am trying to get one of these figured out, I've just spent the last few hours very carefully looking at the PCB and the 48 pin T1004 ASIC. I can conclude the following:

              pins 1-5 on the ASIC appear to go nowhere
              pins 6 and 7 are the Left and Right button inputs
              pins 8 and 9 appear to go nowhere
              pins 10 and 11 go to pin 3 and 2 (red and brown) on the electrical interface
              pin 12 appears to go nowhere
              pin 22 goes to pin 1 (black) on the electrical interface

              27 of the 48 pins are dedicated to X and Y

              The other pins go off onto other (mostly unused) circuitry, either with resistors and capacitors terminating one another, ultimately ending up either back at the ASIC, at ground or at what appears to be an unused interface labelled Y1

              Now, back in terms of the electrical interface, pin 4 (orange) appears to go nowhere.

              So we have a 4 pin cable for a 4 pin interface (PS/2) and only 3 of the pins appear to be in use. So from this I currently have two theories:

              1. That the Orange cable is for a circuit that is useful to PS/2 but not to the touchpad. Considering that the 4 PS/2 circuits are +5V, DATA, CLK and GND, I'm going to go ahead and say that if this is the case, it is CLK that isn't required by the touchpad. I assume that if this were the case, the T1004 would be running at a standard clockrate or sync'ing up in some other way, such as via DATA.

              Therefore, if this is the case, it's likely that red and black are +5V and GND respectively, leaving brown as DATA.

              The more likely theory at the moment however is this:
              2. Looking at the PCB, it's apparent that this is an overglorified capacitor... that's what touchpads are - capacitive, which is why yours got really hot when it was miswired - it was storing charge like a small battery.

              The PCB is primarily a big GND, and uses current passing tape to electrically ground to the chassis of the E500, which goes all the way around to where the ports are, including the PS/2 port. The important thing to note is that this potentially gives us our fourth electrical circuit!

              So in this theory, red is +5V, brown and black are DATA and CLK (I'm undecided on the order) and anywhere on the PCB's plentiful ground rail is GND. Either way, this reduces the number of possible combinations on the cable.

              Seeing as Synaptics seem to have plenty of useful documentation for interfacing to their equipment, I've tried to get in touch with them to see if they can shed some light on this, but there's been no response yet.

              I'm also trying to get another dead E500 so that I can really rip one of these apart - I need to shave the touchpad layer off the other side of the PCB to check out the circuitry on that side to get a more complete understanding, but as it is, I'm not willing to do that to my one and only device.

              Hope this helps someone. If someone is willing to guinea pig one of their touchpads to test the above two theories, please do so and let me know how you get on.

              Standard disclaimers apply - if the touchpad explodes, taking off your arm and killing your pets, I take no responsibility

              Keyword for Google crawlers - Compaq SPS 135227-001

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              • #8
                I think you can throw theory 1 out. The PS/2 protocol requires both data and clk to work. Theory 2, while possible, is rather suspect too... I'd be very surprised if the GND on the PS/2 plug wasn't directly connected to GND on the pad. Are you absolutely certain orange goes nowhere? Because the obvious guess would be red = 5V, black = GND, orange/brown = clk/data.

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                • #9
                  I've taken a good long look at it. The pin is soldered to the PCB, but there's no traces going to it at all. If it's connected anywhere, it's on the other side of the PCB, hence why I want to get another one to sacrifice in the name of knowledge.

                  The other thing I could do is dig up a dead E500 mobo at work and do some pin tracing on that side, but as it stands I'm sure that GND is going via a common E500 GND Rail

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                  • #10
                    Have you tried checking continuity between that pin and ASIC pins?

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                    • #11
                      If I had the equipment do to that, we wouldnt be talking My multimeter threw a wobbly while I was repairing a 3kva UPS, and today's a public holiday in NZ so there's no chance of getting a replacement. It's visual + brain matter for the time being, and as I said, I'm not willing to guinea pig this one. All I can offer at this point is my observations in the hope that someone else can prove/disprove them.

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                      • #12
                        Certainly don't go by colors, only stuff that is meant to be user-serviceable tend to follow any sort of standard. Wait until you can pick up a new multi-meter before attempting anything.

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                        • #13
                          yeah, having serviced Compaq PC's for years I know not to trust their colour co-ordination

                          OK, just picked up a cheapy $6 multimeter while my Fluke goes in for RMA, and I can get a circuit between pins 1 and 4, and between pins 4 and almost anywhere else on the ASIC (X and Y pins etc) which leads me to believe that pin4 (orange) may be +5v - going straight through the PCB to the touchpad where charge differential (caused by a finger) is picked up by the ASIC and translated into X and Y co-ordinates which are then pushed back across DATA and CLK.

                          No circuit between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 4 and 2 or 4 and 3. Only 1 and 4.

                          So my current opinion is:
                          Orange - +5v
                          Red/Brown - DATA, CLK (unknown order)
                          Black - GND

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                          • #14
                            Oh yeah. I just remembered these things are typically very fault tolerant. Most touchpads are figured out by just randomly connecting things and re-trying until they work.

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                            • #15
                              when I picked up the cheapo multimeter I grabbed some stuff to throw together a breakout board, and I dug up a dead laptop mobo from work's recycling bin to donate a PS/2 port, so I'll be soldering that all up and testing it tonight (it's 4.30pm here) I'll let you all know the results. Hopefully it will be just as easy as swapping red and brown to sort out DATA from CLK

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