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  • Introducton and Samsung Tab into a 206 Range Rover Sport

    Hi All

    Just recently joined the site after I researched adding a tablet to my Rangie... Whilst I've modified previous cars of mine I've never done anything as technical involving IT stuff...

    Anyway, the plan is to install a Samsung Tab, undecided as to whether it'll be a 7 or 7.7" screen and whether it'll be removable or 'fixed.' I tending towards 7.0 and fixed based on a couple of emails from Genz a fellow forumer here who has a RRS as well.

    The plan would be to replace the existing 7" OEM touch screen with the Tab completely, whilst retaining the OEM stereo to keep the OEM look. It would be nice to have removable however then the OEM look would be sacrificed and location comprimised. You'll get the idea once I've posted some pics of the centre console.

    So on the assumption of going permanent and replacing the OEM screen then the power and sound feed will be via a modified dock connector. The MOST feed to the SatNav screen will need to be connected through to ensure the OEM MOST system continues to work.

    Then the more technical (for me) parts will start with using Tasker to do the following:

    1. Control the settings and getting the reversing camera to function automatically when reverse is selected and the Tab receives a signal from the BT/WiFi Camera.
    2. Get Tasker to send an sms to my Samsung S3 to switch to Flight Mode so all calls are received through the Tablet whch will be connected to the OEM BT System.

    Then I also want to use a OBD2 BT unit to utilise the Torque App and get live figures from the car itself on the Tab and maybe one day even get the suspension and terrain response settings from the original screen working as I want to get the creators of Torque and the creators of the IDD Tool together as they are both very switched on and have a lot in common.

    So really my first question is how many BT accessories can a Samsung Tab 7.0 or 7.7 connect to simultaneously? I think I would need at least 2. One for the BT for making/ recieving calls and one for the OBD2 functionality. A third maybe needed for remote control purposes in the future. So guys and girls any idea?

    Basically, I'm brain storming at the moment and I'm sure I'll get some very useful help from this site as to how to proceed wit htis build. Naturally, I'll post photos as I proceed with this.

    Cheers

    Guy

  • #2
    I am starting to install my Tab into my Xterra too.

    1. The reverse camera will work with Wifi but there is too much switching time is too long on startup. I seen someone testing it and it took almost a full minute. He was able to cut the time down by different ways of starting up the router and modem but not by much. The only way to cut it down is by remote starting the car every time you want to drive the car.

    2. How are all calls received to the tablet? The only app I found is Tablet Talk but that is just used for notifications but still goes through the phone. Plus that only notifies you that you have a phone call and you are only given 2 options none of which to actually accept the call and talk.

    I don't know how much power is drawn but the OBD2 Bluetooth adapter will be powered 24/7.

    My question to you is, do you have steering wheel controls and if so, are you going to try to use them?

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    • #3
      Hi ShadoG,

      Thanks for the post. I've researched some more on the whole reversing camera solution and can't find one that I like. Further, due to the loation of the screen/ tab I find it doesn't lend itself to being used as a reversing camera screen. My solution will be to get a good quality replacement rear view mirror with a 3-3.5" lcd screen which is hardwired to the existing reversing camera and sqitches when reverse is selected. This way I use the mirror as intended, plus get the bonus of the camera

      With calls it depends which OS you use. I know that the UK version of ICS on Tab 2s includes a phone function as stock to make and receive calls preferably with a BT headdset. If you follow the link you'll see the icon on the Tab2 homescreen, this way I'll use twin SIMs in the Tab and the S3 and turn off the S3 when getting in the car, and use tasker to switch between Airplane mode and Car mode when charging is detected. Then the Tab can pair with the in car BT module and I can use that

      http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sa..._id2989/page/2

      Yes I do have steering wheel controls, however, I'll only use them for the OEM stereo and not expand on that, otherwise it gets too complicated. If in the future a BT remote becomes avaiable I may buy that.

      Whilst thinking about the build though I have come across a major problem, HEAT!... Basically I live in the Middle East and the car is parked outside, usually in the shade, so the question is what temperature does the Tab work to? Is it 60C? If so a permanent build maybe possible, if not, then during the summer there's a hig chance it won't work and may get damaged. I would then need to build in some thermostatically controlled cooling fans, another issue to resolve...

      So a solution maybe to build a removable system in front of the existing screen which I can take out during the day to keep it cool, more thinking is needed as I would like to keep it OEM looking.

      So the build options are currently:

      1. Permanent in location of OEM SatNav screen
      2. Permanent in location of OEM SatNav screen, however, rigged to pop up so it can be removed
      3. Removable located in front of the OEM SatNav screen. Not the most elegant but allows the vehicle to be returned to stock if sold.

      You can see the OEM screen below, and the potential option 3 position





      All the above would be with new rearview mirror with LCD screen. Option 3 would use the Tab 7.7 in lieu of the Tab2 7.0 as I could go for a bigger screen there )

      Any thoughts opinions would be appreciated

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      • #4
        So while I don't have plans for a camera I am interested to have the knowledge. My response will be on the phone function to the tablet. I have tasker set on my phone and tablet. Right now it is not installed but the tasks are already set up. The sequence goes like this:

        Phone
        Task widget: car (have to press manually till I can upgrade to nfc phone)
        Turns on car mode profile that turns on my tethering and automatically dials the call forwarding extension and forward calls to my Google voice number.

        Tablet
        Profile: detects when my phone tethered network is near
        Task: turns on WiFi and waits till connected, then opens my voip app(talkatone), signs into Pandora or I heart radio or Google music (I haven't decided which I like best yet), finally it opens Google maps app.

        I tried car ultra home but the short cuts just opened the other apps so kind of defeats the purpose of a car home. Looks like there may be some useful buttons as direct to nav or direct dial but I wasn't happy about how it dealt with the music players.

        Issues with the setup are how to keep a screen lock active but have it unlocked when tasker sets car mode. I work at an ambulance station so if I take the lock off I am likely to find unwanted background pictures. It seems like if I root it then it can be done but I don't want to go that route just yet on my beloved n7. Other than that the set up works great, I just need to work on my fab skills to mount it and I want to buy the nfc chips so that when I slide the tablet in and out of the dock it automatically toggles car mode. I want the same for my phone eventually.

        Sent from my Nexus 7

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        • #5
          I have the uk tablet 2 but dont have anywhere to put a sim car or the phone icon

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          • #6
            the samsung tablet 2 7.0 does not have a sim slot samsung have confirmed this for me by emil along with pc world where i got it from ,even though the samsung website does state that it does, very naughty!!

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            • #7
              Hi coolcoupe, I'll go to the Samsung store tomorrow and get some photos, all the Tab 2 7.0, 7.7 & 8.9's I've seen here come with SIM card... Strange they're not offered in the UK.

              Anyway, I don't think I'll be going the Tab route now, rather I'll get a MimicsX2 and use my S3 and control it via the Mimcs and OEM touchscreen will give me the best solution when combined with a GVIF unit for the Rangie. Also will allow me to return to stock if I sell the motor...

              Regards

              Guy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by coolcoupe View Post
                the samsung tablet 2 7.0 does not have a sim slot samsung have confirmed this for me by emil along with pc world where i got it from ,even though the samsung website does state that it does, very naughty!!
                There are two versions, one of which does have a SIM slot

                Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by krisperry View Post
                  There are two versions, one of which does have a SIM slot

                  Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
                  Correct :thumbsup: , was at Samsung just now and here's the proof:



                  Cheers

                  Guy

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                  • #10
                    Guyzer,
                    Yea I've installed a lot of those rearview mirror monitors. I find those better than the in dash solutions since as you said, you only have to look in one spot.
                    I realized that in the uk calling is enabled after I posted. Unfortunately in the us it's disabled which doesn't make sense because texting is enabled and we get an actual phone number for the tablet. Then I was thinking of using my google number as my main number but the issues with that is what if I'm in a dead zone and mms messages don't work.
                    Heat is a major problem for me too. It's not even hot here where I'm at right now (50f) and my tab gets hot! I was hoping the tab 2 wouldn't be as bad since I have a problem with lag. My setup is temporary which consists of a cheap car mount that I got off eBay. I disassembled it and mounted it onto a bracket that i fabbed out of mdf board. I painted it with bed liner and attached it to my dash with industrial Velcro. It looks pretty good and is removable although I do need to spray another coat of paint. I'll snap a pick in a few days since I'm out of town cuz my wife just had surgery.
                    I also found that the battery in the tablet drains faster than it can charge when I'm streaming music over Bluetooth and using navigation with the screen brightness on max. I'll have to see where the screen has to be to offset the discharge if that'll help. That reminds me, I need to get anti glare screen protectors when I get the tab 2.
                    Your option number three is possible by doing what I did. You could paint yours silver to match you dash.

                    ssschultz,
                    Thanks for reminding me about iheart radio. I forgot about that one. I knew I forgot one and it was buggin me. Lol
                    You may be able to use tasker to disable it. The option is keygaurd. I wasn't able to get it to work though. I only tried it when I was on gingerbread. Now that I'm on cm9 ics, I just disabled it full time since I don't have that issue with someone else touching it.

                    Guyzer,
                    hah just read how your going a different route now after a typed all of that. Lol oh well. I'll have to look into the mimics thing though.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shadoguardian View Post
                      Guyzer,
                      Yea I've installed a lot of those rearview mirror monitors. I find those better than the in dash solutions since as you said, you only have to look in one spot.
                      I realized that in the uk calling is enabled after I posted. Unfortunately in the us it's disabled which doesn't make sense because texting is enabled and we get an actual phone number for the tablet. Then I was thinking of using my google number as my main number but the issues with that is what if I'm in a dead zone and mms messages don't work.
                      Heat is a major problem for me too. It's not even hot here where I'm at right now (50f) and my tab gets hot! I was hoping the tab 2 wouldn't be as bad since I have a problem with lag. My setup is temporary which consists of a cheap car mount that I got off eBay. I disassembled it and mounted it onto a bracket that i fabbed out of mdf board. I painted it with bed liner and attached it to my dash with industrial Velcro. It looks pretty good and is removable although I do need to spray another coat of paint. I'll snap a pick in a few days since I'm out of town cuz my wife just had surgery.
                      I also found that the battery in the tablet drains faster than it can charge when I'm streaming music over Bluetooth and using navigation with the screen brightness on max. I'll have to see where the screen has to be to offset the discharge if that'll help. That reminds me, I need to get anti glare screen protectors when I get the tab 2.
                      Your option number three is possible by doing what I did. You could paint yours silver to match you dash.

                      ssschultz,
                      Thanks for reminding me about iheart radio. I forgot about that one. I knew I forgot one and it was buggin me. Lol
                      You may be able to use tasker to disable it. The option is keygaurd. I wasn't able to get it to work though. I only tried it when I was on gingerbread. Now that I'm on cm9 ics, I just disabled it full time since I don't have that issue with someone else touching it.

                      Guyzer,
                      hah just read how your going a different route now after a typed all of that. Lol oh well. I'll have to look into the mimics thing though.
                      Looking forward to seeing some photos

                      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Guyzer73 View Post
                        Correct :thumbsup: , was at Samsung just now and here's the proof:



                        Cheers

                        Guy
                        looks same as mine i am gutted mine does not have sim slot

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                        • #13
                          Coolcoupe, I couldn't agree more I don't underdstand why they don't offer both versions worldwide, even though I don't want one without SIM card, you can't get those in OMan, only with SIM....

                          Shadoguardian, I think going to go step by step. Firstly, something along the lines of option 3 using the vehicle dock to power and get audio out (I tried using the S3 but it's just too small and far away), plus BT for phone and ODB2 stuff.

                          Then if I like the functionality I'll consider either going down the MimicsX2 with the S3 or the more complicated physical install with the Tab. However, I'm tending towards using the S3 and mimics whilst not as "cool" as doing a full install with a Tab it should provide the similar functionality and completely uninstallable if I sell the car in the future...

                          Cheers

                          Guy

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                          • #14
                            ok guys, it's been a while since I've been on here, and I've made a little progress in the time available after moving house...

                            So I've now decided after using the Tab for about a month that I want to install it, rather than using the MimicsX2 solution. The reason for this is I can "bring" the Tab closer to the driver than the OEM screen and even with the build costs, it'll be cheaper than the Mimics route as I don't need to purchase a GVIF unit, or Mimics units to make it work as I'll use a deconstructed desktop dock wired into power and Aux audio, with an inline amplifier possibly, plus the build costs...

                            So the plan is quite simple to construct a “Console” including the deconstructed desktop dock and install
                            The actual installation of the Tab is what is actually where I need to make a decision as I currently have 3 basic options:

                            1. To slide the Tab in from the side (or top) of the Console.
                            2. To use magnets to secure the Tab in the console.
                            3. To have some sort of tray that is hinged and allows the Tab to be slid into it.

                            I’ve decided on Option 3 as the tidiest and most OEM version. However, and then you’re talking linear actuators to make it look smart, or mechanical push to open/ push to close locks used in the likes of kitchen drawers etc… I’m also considering using a push to open/ lock catch in combination with one, or two, RC car suspension dampers acting as hydraulic linear dampers. What do you think??

                            Below is a sketch I made of Option 1, however, it gives you the general idea of how it should look when finished, albeit with some changes, but, the overall profile should be roughly maintained.



                            I also made a very crude mock-up out of cardboard of option 2 which you can see in the photos below. Lots of things wrong with it; including: it’s too big; it’s sitting on the console rather than being incorporated and the profile it too “square.” But at least it shows that it’s doable and shouldn’t if finished well look to out of place.





                            Now I’m currently creating a “stencil” in 1:1 scale for my local AM garage to try their hand at forming 1mm aluminium sheet for the hinged housing of the Tab. If this is successful then the idea will be to manufacture the entire console from aluminium and finish it accordingly. I’ll make a paper card version as well to develop the design further whilst they try and make the real thing.

                            To stop the tinny sound of a hollow metal enclosure the voids will be filled with heat resistant expanding foam and, or, sound deadening material.

                            That’s all for now folks, hope you all have a Merry Christmas and festive season.

                            Cheers

                            Guy

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                            • #15
                              This could come out very nice. Look forward to updates.

                              Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

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