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  • phylon touchscreens?

    i did a search and couldn't find any info. whats the deal with these screens? the open frame 8" in particular.

    http://www.logicsupply.com/products/800tpc_l_of

    any other 8" open frames i should look at?

  • #2
    I am also interested in this. Anyone at all wanna chime in??
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    • #3
      I just bought the Phylon 8" to replace my Lilliput 8" I'll report back after I have it installed.
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      • #4
        Just keeping you up to date, I should have it in a few days, since I am overseas. I didn't forget!
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        • #5
          Okay, I recieved the screen today, and I would give you a complete review now of the screen, but I forgot my SD card for my camera at work, to no pics yet. My car is in the shop, so I can't install it. BUT, I did find a 12V wall adapter and plug it into my laptop.
          Simply put, This display looks really good. According to the manual, it has a LED backlight, and it also has a small button board attached to the back by a 6 inch flat cable. This should allow you to mount it in a custom bezel and fabricate buttons for them. There is an infared eye for a remote, and the buttons on it allow you to navigate the OSD, power on/off, and a three-step dimming control. (dark, normal, and bright) Although the advertised resolution is 640x480, I found it looked the best at 800x600. I ran the latest Touchkit drivers on the laptop, and calibrated the screen. The TS functions very well and when a spot is held down with your finger, the cursor stays put instead of wobbling around like my Lilliput's TS did. Unfortunately the screen did not come with a 12v wall adapter, IR remote, or TS drivers. All that comes in the package is the display, packing foam sheets, and the 15-page manual. But it does come with a nice sharp display with great contrast. Once I get it installed, i'll take some comparison shots between it and my Lilliput. I'm quite happy with it so far, and it seems to be superior to the 8" Lilliput, but the real test will be how it actually looks installed.
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          • #6
            Excellent!! I'm really interested in seeing some pics of this screen in direct sunlight. I'm glad someone finally took the leap and bought this guy. For the price you really can't beat it.
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            • #7
              Well, I finally got some time and had a chance to play with it a little. I can’t install it yet because the incompetent troglodytes working on my car need another week. So, I dragged the Phylon out and hooked it up to my laptop for some pics and a video:

              Here I have them sitting on the floor next to the window.


              A little closer shot of the screen with some light on it through the curtains.


              A straight-on shot with the same lighting.


              Now I’ll pull back the curtain and let the morning sun beam down on it


              Another straight-on shot


              And an angled shot to get the sun reflecting off the surface.


              I flipped it over to get some shots of the back


              And a close-up of the little button board on the back.

              Here’s a little video I put together showing the screen in action, them flipping it over, then going through the OSD options: (sorry for the poor quality, blame photobucket) Mad props go out to my stupid dog making all kinds of jingling noises while I was filming. )





              Conclusion: This screen is good for the $$, has a clearer TS, and is easier to use for custom installations.

              Pros: -Open-frame design is great for custom builds. No more ABS sludge and dremel work getting a
              Lilliput/Xenarc bezel to fit correctly, Just cut a hole and mount it!
              -Mirror mode for CCD's Either of the two extra RCA video inputs allows for "mirror mode" in support or rear-view cameras, so the image can be flipped around if needed.
              -Button board. The small button board has a 6” ribbon cable attaching it to the mainboard. I
              think that is fantastic for the capability to mount it underneath or alongside the screen behind
              custom buttons.
              -Touchscreen- The touchscreen overlay is very responsive and more importantly; less hazy than
              it’s Lilliput cousin. This gives better viewing in sunny conditions.
              -12-24vdc operation. Wide input voltage window allows the installation to be easier, eliminating
              the requirement of a regulated power supply. Just wire up a male DC barrel connector to a
              switched 12v source in your dash and it works.

              -LED Backlight. Tying in with the above “pro” the LED backlight allows the screen to do
              12-24Vdc by eliminating the CCFL inverter.
              -500:1 contrast. One of the first things that grabbed my attention was the sharp contrast of the screen. It really does look rather sharp.

              Cons: -TFT. Of course it has the same old sunlight readable problems as any other TFT LCD out there,
              and cannot hold a candle to a sunlight readable transflective display.
              -Power brick. The display came with a box, manual, and some foam. No wall-wart, no cable, no
              nothing. It would be really nice if they included a wall transformer with the kit so you can test the unit out in your home. However I think since this unit is marketed towards the car-pc market, it is assumed the end user will be splicing wires and not need one.
              -No IR remote. Geez, they mounted a button board on the back of the unit and gave it lots of cable to facilitate custom mounting but where is the dang remote for the IR eye on the button board? What do one of those credit-card remotes that come with the Lilliputs cost, $3.00 or so?
              -Cost. At the time of this writing the 4:3 8” Lilliput screen is around 20-40 USD cheaper, however the LCD backlight and contrast need to be taken into account.
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              • #8
                Not bad at all :-D I'm not too pleased with the direct sunlight performance. I'm think i'm going to go with this transflective screen.

                http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=12031

                Its only a couple hundred more but it appears to perform pretty well in direct sunlight.
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                • #9
                  Snootch man, that Phylon LCD looks great, apart from the sunlight pics. I'm seriously considering getting one. Where did you get yours from? I'm in Australia, btw.

                  I'm not too happy about the sunlight pics tho - I thought LED backlit LCDs could handle sunlight better?
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                  • #10
                    phylon screens no reliability

                    If your going to put these screens in your house there great. The main problem for this screen is that its not made to take variable voltage. only 12v regulated
                    this means most people have to use a dc-ac inverter plus the ac power supply
                    that came with the screen. i had my screen in my car only 2 weeks and it stopped displaying. the people at logic supply are real nice until they recieve your return repair then its all about dealing with phylon who is almost impossible to contact. Ive also had a lot of other size screens and i think the xenarc is the way to go.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by samirfuzzywuzzy View Post
                      If your going to put these screens in your house there great. The main problem for this screen is that its not made to take variable voltage. only 12v regulated
                      this means most people have to use a dc-ac inverter plus the ac power supply
                      that came with the screen. i had my screen in my car only 2 weeks and it stopped displaying. the people at logic supply are real nice until they recieve your return repair then its all about dealing with phylon who is almost impossible to contact. Ive also had a lot of other size screens and i think the xenarc is the way to go.
                      Or you could just get a regulated supply that's 12VDC in and 12VDC out.

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                      • #12
                        since i've posted last ive learned of more bad of the phylon. 3 more phylons ive worked with have died with in a month or less. I noted the heavier the electrical demand in your car the more likely for a malfunction. I have a tinted windshield in my ride and sometimes on east/west driving i loose all visual of the screen. Its not transflective at all in my opinion especialy compared to a transflective phone or pda. Also if your headlights ever dim when your bass hits your screen is very likely going to malfunction. Xenarc and liliput have way less problems and very easy to fix a problem. My oldest xenarc's are on a boat and they never stop working. one of which had some fat girl splash a beer on the screen but still works like new. Any one got some serious pc install pics here?

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                        • #13
                          I will soon have my carputer in the car. I'm just waiting on getting my dash back from Nexson. I have some pics of my PC and the screen working and some videos too. I'm glad i went the extra mile and bought that Linitx transflective screen. I haven't seen it in direct sunlight but with the sunlight that comes into my house i was able to read it just fine.
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                          • #14
                            I'm new to the mp3Car forum but I've been messing around with my car PC for some time now. I mentioned in another post (see link below) that a lot of car PC screens (including these open frames) are coming from a single manufacturer, but I'm trying to work out who they are before I buy from this 'unbranded' manufacturer.

                            http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/lcd-...-monitors.html

                            As you can see, http://www.cartft.com has a very similar, but rebranded version of this monitor. In fact, the components look exactly the same.

                            http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/895

                            As an alternative to an 8 inch, I have seen some 7 inch screens on http://www.carcomputer.co.uk. They look a bit more sturdy than the CarTFT ones and it's interesting to see the circuit board, but I would like to know if anyone has had one of these monitors.

                            http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/compone...art/Itemid,26/

                            Carl

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