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  • Comparing Motion LS800 Tablet PC to again Lilliput 8"

    I'm falling in love with the LS800 I currently have and am considering getting one as a permanent install for my car to replace my entire current car PC + separate monitor setup. I thought I'd post some comparison shots.

    I'm still waiting for a suitably sunny day + having the camera with me to catch some direct sunlight shots to show that the LS800 is still readable even with direct sunlight. Pretty much the only time I can't read it is when the sun is angled such that it's a direct reflection into my eyes. And I can fix that by moving my head a foot or so to the side.
    Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
    Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
    Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

  • #2
    The lilliput with flash in the carport.
    Attached Files
    Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
    Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
    Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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    • #3
      The LS800 with flash, in the carport.
      Attached Files
      Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
      Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
      Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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      • #4
        The lilliput on the road on a sunny day, no direct sunlight.
        Attached Files
        Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
        Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
        Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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        • #5
          The LS800, on the road on a sunny day, no direct sunlight.
          Attached Files
          Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
          Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
          Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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          • #6
            The lilliput. See the map? No, I couldn't either. But it's a great view of my hand! Note that this is *not* direct sunlight and still unusable.
            Attached Files
            Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
            Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
            Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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            • #7
              The LS800, same setup. Look, I can see my house from here!
              Attached Files
              Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
              Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
              Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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              • #8
                Here's the dock for the Motion. Note how well it fits into the hole in my dash...

                I'm thinking of fabbing it in like this (removing the stand obviously) but set a little further back so I can make the front nice of flush.
                Attached Files
                Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
                Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
                Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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                • #9
                  And from the back, it has all the connectors you'd need for just about any car PC need...
                  Attached Files
                  Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
                  Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
                  Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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                  • #10
                    So here's my list of pro & cons:

                    Pros:
                    • 2-3 hour battery built in. Standby becomes a really useful state to provide instant resume. Hibernate only after it's been in standby for probably a week!
                    • Surviving crank is a non-issue.
                    • Great screen.
                    • Can use EM pen to avoid getting finger prints on the screen.
                    • Pen is easier to target things because your hand isn't in the way.
                    • What little reflection of your hand there is is also reduced because it's further away.
                    • Relatively powerful cpu for low power usage.
                    • No audio pop - has built in suppressor on startup.
                    • Great dock with easy connections for all the peripherals. And fits the hole in my dash pretty much perfectly and could be fabbed in to look pretty nice.
                    • Built in wireless.
                    • If you fab the dock in to the top of the dash, unit is removable so you can take it inside to copy large files onto it / install software / hide it from thieves / take it out and use handwriting to enter larger amounts of text (it is a Tablet PC after all!).
                    • Extra USB slots on the side for data sticks or a full USB keyboard if you feel like it.
                    • Possible: USB peripherals might remain powered and hence GPS might never lose it's lock! The built-in battery is plenty big enough to keep it active if that's the case! Ooh, I wonder.
                    • No fan (I think) - possibly it's just a really quiet fan. Either way, it's good.
                    • Laptop hard drive, so more shock resistant.
                    • Finger print reader for secure logon.
                    • Ctrl-alt-del for, well, not sure what!
                    • Buttons on the right side for direct control of front end (up/down/left/right/center + 4 others).
                    • IR port for remote control
                    • High quality - don't have to deal with crappy Lilliput's that get ridiculous dim within 9 months and dodgy connectors that cause the screen to go blurry when *too tightly* coupled (!? - what's up with that?).
                    • Built in array microphone. Noise cancellation software comes installed. I *need* to try this feature out to see if it can handle car noise.
                    • Bluetooth built-in.
                    • The big battery means turning it on/off with the remote locking becomes much more of an option. Hell, you could do far more than that - have the music turn on with the car engine and off with the remote lock and the PC turn on with the remote lock and turn off 5 minutes after the care is locked again.
                    • Can control the bios with pen + buttons. Don't need a keyboard. On the other hand, there's practically nothing you'd ever tweak in there...
                    • Built in SD memory reader.
                    • Looks like there's a built-in (to the dock) 5V (I'm assuming) out.

                    Cons:
                    • Have to source a 12->19V convertor that's happy with 11->14V input.
                    • Not sure yet how to auto-power on/resume from standby. Might be trivial. Might be really hard. Looking hard...
                    • Have to use an EM pen. Not sure whether this will be better or worse than touch for car use (it's fine out of the car) but at the very least - must come up with a good mounting location for the pen / use the thin string it comes with to avoid dropping it on the floor under the pedals.
                    • Cost. It'd be something like $2100. But once you factor in the $700-$1000 you could easily spend trying to get a daylight readable lcd (possibly even more?) then the extra for the rest of the car PC looks a lot more reasonable.
                    Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
                    Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
                    Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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                    • #11
                      powering it you have 2 options that come to mind, you can use a laptop car adaptor, I use a lind 19v one that works great.... or you could use like a carnetix wich will not only give you the 19v, but the 12v & 5 volts you will also need for periferals & also give you a startup/shutdown controller

                      does the dock have a power switch? that could be an easier way to interface the on off control if available
                      MY NEWEST INSTALL:modded infiniti fx with big screen

                      first windows carpc install........my liquid cooled LVDS screen :D

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                      • #12
                        No, no power switch. I keep meaning to check the bios to see if there's an option to power on with return of DC. Who knows.

                        The auto-shutdown could be done either with an extremely short sleep timeout when on battery or I'm pretty sure it could be done with a USB->serial convertor and the UPS functionality built into XP. I wonder if that approach might also allow it to turn back on too when the DC comes back.
                        Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
                        Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
                        Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Keep adding more and more reasons why this is such a good approach. I might have to hack my car soon and install the LS800 + dock temporarily to try it out for real hooked up to my audio... Given the amount of driving I do I doubt I'll even need to charge it more than once a week so I can do without a proper power solution for now too!
                          Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
                          Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
                          Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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                          • #14
                            are you removing it every time you park?
                            MY NEWEST INSTALL:modded infiniti fx with big screen

                            first windows carpc install........my liquid cooled LVDS screen :D

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                            • #15
                              It's not really installed currently. I just rest it in front of the Lilliput and drive home admiring how easy to see the screen is and pretending it's the one really playing the music. But I should have some spare time coming up soon to try making a more permanent install.

                              My plan is that I'd remove it and put it in the glove box whenever I park anywhere dodgy. At the moment I am completely paranoid about the lilliput attracting the attention of thieves and had been trying to work out how to build a nice looking shroud with a built-in roller blind type thing to hide it somewhat from view. With the Motion and it's dock, I just hide the entire computer in the glove box or under the seat (since I'd imagine thieves that still targetted my car would look in the glove box as a matter of course).

                              So, yes & no. Being able to is one of the *big* plusses of this approach in my mind that more than offsets the non-stock appearance.
                              Progress: 80% - Permanent install left.
                              Motion LS800 Tablet PC and dock.
                              Vista, Bu-535 GPS, RoadRunner, MPT2006.

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