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    I would like my PC to be a decent speed but i have no idea what speed or make of processor to go for. I was thinking of around 2Ghz. I'd like it to be able to play DVDs and music mostly and possibly process video footage as well. I would also be using bluetooth.
    So do i go for a P4 which i've used before and know i can rely on or do i make the jump and go for another processor????
    So what speed and make?
    And what motherboard would need? I'd like to have a pretty good motherboard and don't mind paying for a decent one as it is te basis of a good computer.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
    Baz

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    For what you said, the Epias would mange just fine. The only downside to Epias is the poor graphics card...so no good for games.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bazmcc
      I would like my PC to be a decent speed but i have no idea what speed or make of processor to go for. I was thinking of around 2Ghz. I'd like it to be able to play DVDs and music mostly and possibly process video footage as well. I would also be using bluetooth.
      So do i go for a P4 which i've used before and know i can rely on or do i make the jump and go for another processor????
      So what speed and make?
      And what motherboard would need? I'd like to have a pretty good motherboard and don't mind paying for a decent one as it is te basis of a good computer.
      Any help would be greatly appreciated.
      Thanks
      Baz

      Here is the thing. There is no difference between a desktop computer, a laptop computer, and a car computer, when it comes to processing power. Whatever is sufficient to do what you want it to do, will also work in the car. The only difference between say a desktop, laptop, and a carputer is the power supply. Some systems will tax even the most powerfull DC-DC power supplies because the largest capacity DC-DC is about 150 watts. While sufficient, it aint much. You can always get around this with an inverter and a regular PS, but a search will reveal (and a read of the FAQ section) the pros and cons of each setup.

      So, if you think you need a 2ghz system to do what you want, then you need a 2 ghz for the car.

      Now, I am not sure what you mean by "process video footage" but if you mean rendering video from a video camera, check the specs on the SW you intend to use. I think that might be the most processor intensive process you have mentioned. Watching DVD's, music, and BT require little processing power (though watching DVDs is probably the most of the remaining group) You should be able to get away with a 1.2 ghz system, with 512 of ram.

      Good luck.
      Michael
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      • #4
        Thanks Michael.
        I've decided i don't really need video processing or anything. I can do that stuff at home. I still think i should be looking for around 1.4ghz - 1.8Ghz so i'll have a bit of a search and see what i can come up with. Can anyone recommend a motherboard for a P4 of around that speed?
        Thanks
        Baz

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bazmcc
          Thanks Michael.
          I've decided i don't really need video processing or anything. I can do that stuff at home. I still think i should be looking for around 1.4ghz - 1.8Ghz so i'll have a bit of a search and see what i can come up with. Can anyone recommend a motherboard for a P4 of around that speed?
          Thanks
          Baz
          No Problem Baz.

          You next need to decide if you want to go Mini ITX, like the Epia (that should link to the MP3car store so you can see some of the choices) or if you space isn't of utmost importance, almost any MB will work. Try and stay away from P4s since I have heard they are power hungry, and as I mentioned before, power is probably the biggest issue when it comes to carputer setups.

          I have heard good things about the AMD Athlons and the Mobile Athlons.

          Again, good luck.
          Michael
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          • #6
            In fact, the most powerfull PSU currently on the market is under my sig ... that is bragging right

            Well since you said "possibly process video footage as well", Epia Mini ITX is a NO GO.
            With little work around, AMD Mobile Athlon does a very nice job for car PC and not so much power hungry.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bazmcc
              So do i go for a P4 which i've used before and know i can rely on or do i make the jump and go for another processor????
              If you go with a p4, stay away from the Prescott cores, as they run hot. One of the Northwoods with the 800FSB and HT will do fine.

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              • #8
                just wanted to add as micheal touched on already..... avoid P4's at all costs!!! they are power hungry & very wastefull & inefficient, which translates to excessive heat generated & much larger than necissary power requirements

                IMO the best mobile processors will be a mobile processor

                the amd athalon xp-m's are good, or my favorite is the pentium-m if your looking for fast & powerful.... the average pentium m uses a 2m l2 cache & 400 mhz buss speed... a 1.6 pentium m is equivelent to a p4 2.8 in processing power but uses about a 1/3 the power or less.... & runs so efficient that heat generation is not much of an issue....

                if your on a budget a pIII can be a good choice.... a 1.2 with speed step maybe.... a little on the animic side, but adiquate for what most carpc's require... even celrons are not to bad.....

                remember, these are two of the biggest problems in a car install... heat & power
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                • #9
                  Gotta disagree with you, turbo, partially anyway… Stay away from the Prescott cores at all costs, but the other cores P4 cores aren’t so bad as to not consider them at all. Totally agree about your mobile processor suggestions, however. Definitely the best choice if price is disregarded.

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                  • #10
                    Idono.... every p4 I've ever had or have is a nasty power sucking heat spewing animal..... maybe not so bad on a desktop,unless there killing your hard drives, which I've had a few do lately.... but in a car they aren't so hot...eer...well they are so hot...which makes them not so hot...... Oh, you know what I mean

                    even the p4 m's in laptops suck.....ever try to use one on your lap, they burn man..... & watch them suck that huge battery down in an hour.... leave it sitting on a bed for 1/2 hour to toast the motherboard...... I HATE P4's!!!!!

                    you can see this just by looking at a power calculator...... it's not just prescott's....although they are among the worse offenders....
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                    • #11
                      lol! Did a P4 burn your jewels, or something?

                      I'm not saying they are great, just simply saying that some of them can still be a viable car PC processor. There are other considerations that might outweigh heat concerns, such as cost and motherboard support (this one is the biggie to me).

                      One of my carputers in a northwood 2.6MHz 800FSB HT 512L2. With a 1U heatsink it runs about ~10C cooler than the northbridge/IGP chip, and has never given me any heat or power related problems. And I'm in the middle of the Arizona desert; the machine is in the trunk.

                      ...and, yeah, mobile AMD's rule in notebooks! wish there was more/some mini-itx support for them.

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                      • #12
                        I guess that's o.k. if your trying to work with what you got... but this guy said he doesn't mind spending on something good to get the job done

                        ...and yeah, although my balls haven't been literally burned(not too much anyway), I have had laptop p4's toast themselves & p4 desktops cook hardrives...... I even had a p4 2.8 in my car for a while.... I ripped it out & turned it into a media center for the house.. put an m in the car.... never been happier
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                        • #13
                          Right then, so i should go for a mobile processor. mainly because of temperatures.
                          I'll probably be using a fairly slim or ITX case as I'd like to keep the case at the front of the car somewhere, and out of the way and fairly small.
                          I'm thinking about a 1.6Ghz mobile processor???
                          Are they the same sockets as normal processors?
                          Which is better out of the AMD mobile CPUs and the Pentium M Centrino jobs?
                          I'm still a bit confused but i'm getting there.
                          Thanks for all the help.
                          Keep it coming.
                          Baz

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bazmcc
                            Right then, so i should go for a mobile processor. mainly because of temperatures.
                            I'll probably be using a fairly slim or ITX case as I'd like to keep the case at the front of the car somewhere, and out of the way and fairly small.
                            I'm thinking about a 1.6Ghz mobile processor???
                            Are they the same sockets as normal processors?
                            Which is better out of the AMD mobile CPUs and the Pentium M Centrino jobs?
                            I'm still a bit confused but i'm getting there.
                            Thanks for all the help.
                            Keep it coming.
                            Baz
                            If you are gonna try and keep the case up front, your best bet is the Mini ITX, liket he epia. Click the link that just poped up on the word Edia, and you will be taken to the MP3car store where you can get some more info. They are widely used in the carpc community. Have allot of support here if you have questions or problems, and is strong enough to run anything you mentioned before. Powering them is pretty easy. It is the way to go. They are a little pricier then a micro ATX or other solution, but worth it if you want to keep it up front with you.

                            Michael
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bazmcc
                              Right then, so i should go for a mobile processor. mainly because of temperatures.
                              I'll probably be using a fairly slim or ITX case as I'd like to keep the case at the front of the car somewhere, and out of the way and fairly small.
                              I'm thinking about a 1.6Ghz mobile processor???
                              Are they the same sockets as normal processors?
                              Which is better out of the AMD mobile CPUs and the Pentium M Centrino jobs?
                              I'm still a bit confused but i'm getting there.
                              Thanks for all the help.
                              Keep it coming.
                              Baz

                              temperatures are a good reason, along with the equaly important low power requirements.... as far as which is better it is usually considered the intel pentium m, but the athalon xp-m is good also...& a little cheaper, I'm sure there may be a few that will argue that they like the xp-m better...bottom line is either is a good choice, I prefer pentium m...donthan w 2mb L2 cache... there are some eirlier ones that only have a 1mb L2 cache.... not as fast.

                              these chips require a motherboard that is designed for them for the most part & don't share the same sockets with anything else, there are some adaptors out there, but since your starting fresh you shouldn't have to consider these.

                              as far as boards go I can't offer much advice there, as I usually look to laptop motherboards for my installs, not that I'm suggesting that to you... a conventional motherboard can be easier to install & cleaner appearance wise by using a pre built case, although laptops do have there advantages & can sometiomes be more cost efective, they also bring a whole other set of complications to the table...

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