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    Case
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811190109
    Mini-ITX 150W - $40

    Motherboard
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813500044
    ZOTAC NF610I-K-E Mini ITX - $50

    RAM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148239
    1GB 240-Pin DDR2 - $40 (getting two sticks)

    CPU
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116039
    Celeron 430 1.8GHz LGA 775 - Free (already have one that isn't being used)


    Harddrive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211419
    32GB SSD - $85


    Screen
    Here is the OEM Radio

    Height: 5.3in
    Top width: 8.6in
    Bottom width: 8.2in

    Here is the VGA touchscreen I'm going to put in my dash
    http://www.amazon.com/inch-Desktop-M.../ref=pd_cp_e_2
    Height: 6.46in
    Width: 8.11
    Resolution: 1024x768
    Cost: $145

    The dimensions aren't perfect, but I can cut some plastic and make it fit.

    Power Supply
    http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f
    picoPSU-120, 120w output, 12v input DC-DC - $40

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    Total: $400

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    I already have a spare usb WiFi receiver laying around which I can use for wardriving, connecting to random hotspots, or to teather to my android phone and get 3g internet while on the road.

    What do you guys think? How can I make this better/cheaper?

  • #2
    i think your going to have probs with that cpu and the board you picked out as the lowest fsb on the board is 1066 and the cpu is 800. do you have overclocking in mind.. your better off buying a cheap atom board with that same gpu or similar just my 2 cents SNO

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    • #3
      for power check out the M3-atx ~$60 , the psu you listed is not ideal

      are you planning on gutting the radio and installing comp in there ?

      dont forget software prices in your total.

      and not to be a pessimist but IMHO cheap ssd's are not worth the money. the cost and size limitations do not over come what cheap ssd drives have to offer, they are not really much faster than a good hd drive. but more expensive ssd's are a different story.

      keep in mind how hot that celeron is goin run in tight spaces as well. intel atoms seem to be a trend here because they are extremely efficient, (usually dont require a fan and use less than 30 watts total

      justmy2pennies

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      • #4
        I agree..... dont get that motherboard. It only has VGA. If you ever want to add a second display for maybe the rear, it will be a pain. It seems to be a weak board. The CPU is bad also.... I use dual core Celerons at work and use one on my web design PC at work and it works very good. Basically Car Pc units now a days have to have at least 2 cores, anything less will not cut it. The GPU also is very very weak. Try this board instead.

        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813500035

        The PSU you listed doesnt have regulation. I would also not go with a M3-ATX. Instead skip up to a M4-ATX, especially if you go with a higher end board.

        The SSD you listed is actually ok. I have heard good things about them. Just make sure you use it with WIN 7.
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        • #5
          PicoPSU is not recommended for vehicle use because of the lack of regulation.
          Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
          How about the Wiki?



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          • #6
            Thanks guys, lots of good advice!

            Motherboard/CPU
            Good point about the Celeron running hot, I think I'm going to go with this board/cpu combo

            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-399-_-Product

            Comes with a dual core atom at 1.66GHz which is still way more power then I'm probably going to need.

            GPU
            Not so worried about it being weak, I don't plan playing Halflife on it and playing HD video on a 8in screen just seems pointless.

            PSU
            M4-ATX you say? Sounds good, but remember I'm using an mini-ITX form factor board/case. The M4-ATX will work fine with it? I saw nothing on the site or this form saying it would work, but it should work fine as long as I can find a way to mount it in the case.

            Other Stuff
            I plan on removing the radio unit and then fabricating my own fiberglass frame for the screen to fit in. It'll be a first time for me, but there is lots of good info online about how to do this.

            For software, I plan on running Linux on it. With Linux and a SSD you can boot in like under 20 seconds. That, plus you also require far less processing power.

            You guys and this forum are incredible helpful, thanks again.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by napalm View Post
              Thanks guys, lots of good advice!

              Motherboard/CPU
              Good point about the Celeron running hot, I think I'm going to go with this board/cpu combo

              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-399-_-Product

              Comes with a dual core atom at 1.66GHz which is still way more power then I'm probably going to need.

              GPU
              Not so worried about it being weak, I don't plan playing Halflife on it and playing HD video on a 8in screen just seems pointless.

              PSU
              M4-ATX you say? Sounds good, but remember I'm using an mini-ITX form factor board/case. The M4-ATX will work fine with it? I saw nothing on the site or this form saying it would work, but it should work fine as long as I can find a way to mount it in the case.

              Other Stuff
              I plan on removing the radio unit and then fabricating my own fiberglass frame for the screen to fit in. It'll be a first time for me, but there is lots of good info online about how to do this.

              For software, I plan on running Linux on it. With Linux and a SSD you can boot in like under 20 seconds. That, plus you also require far less processing power.

              You guys and this forum are incredible helpful, thanks again.
              That board you picked looks ok. It will most def do what you need it to do.

              Let me ask you this, what do you plan to have USB wise. Although the board may be low powered, you also have to take the USB devices and any device that runs off the PSU. The more devices, the more power draw. Yes the M4 is a bit bigger, but at least you wont have to worry about power issue later from upgrading to more devices. Also the M4 seems to be very stable. The M2 and the M4 seem to be the best. The M3, I hear stories about that PSU and they aint good ones. Also the price difference between the M3 and M4 isnt that big, so you might as well go with the M4.

              Well only reason I said Win 7 is because Win 7 is optimized for SSD drives. It helps to keep the drive alive longer with TRIM and what not. I have no clue on Linux so I cant comment.
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              • #8
                The M3 psu is a very nice one for your build. The motherboard is also a very good value. It only has one data channel so a single memory board is fine. I run Win 7 on that board with 2gb and it runs nicely.
                If you want wifi on the board look at the intel mini pci card.
                Your touch screen choice is a bit of a gamble. Sometime spending a little more costs less.

                edit: I've only had the M3 briefly and I don't know if it's reliable. There seem to be reports of problems on most power supplies. The design of the M3 is nice is it fits the board.

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                • #9
                  miniITX is just a formfactor.
                  As long as the motherboard is ATX-compliant, any ATX-compliant PSU will work with it, so long as the PSU provides enough power for the computer components.

                  The only benefit to using the M3 is that it is tiny, and fits in the ATX power connector on the motherboard, making fitment issues almost non-existent. The drawback is that it is not a particularly powerful PSU.

                  The M4 will work fine, but you may have issues fitting it in your case. If you can get it to fit, you will surely have to fabricate brackets or some means of mounting it in the case.
                  Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
                  How about the Wiki?



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dmiller View Post
                    The M3 psu is a very nice one for your build. The motherboard is also a very good value. It only has one data channel so a single memory board is fine. I run Win 7 on that board with 2gb and it runs nicely.
                    If you want wifi on the board look at the intel mini pci card.
                    Your touch screen choice is a bit of a gamble. Sometime spending a little more costs less.

                    edit: I've only had the M3 briefly and I don't know if it's reliable. There seem to be reports of problems on most power supplies. The design of the M3 is nice is it fits the board.
                    OMG, thank you for bringing up the screen. Do not go with that shark screen! Shark screens are usually rebadged Eonon screens but its like they use lower grade stuff then Eonon. I guess they get all of Eonon's reject stuff.

                    Go with the VM70 instead. It is cheaper, but preformance wise its similar to the Lilliput EBY701 which I also like. The VM70 though also comes with a headrest piece which would be awesome for your radio. You can just pop the headrest cover in there, mold it to the radio, then slide the screen in. If you have to take the screen out for repair, just pop it out.

                    Here is the CCFL VM70. Goes for 139.00 which includes shipping. I own one and stand by it.

                    http://short-circuit.com/product/VM70.html


                    Here is the LED V70-XB. It is brand new so I dont know how it works. It looks a little different then the VM70, but has all the same headrest piece and stuff. This screen is only 159.00.

                    http://short-circuit.com/product/V70-XB.html
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sleepyz0mby View Post
                      ...........

                      and not to be a pessimist but IMHO cheap ssd's are not worth the money. the cost and size limitations do not over come what cheap ssd drives have to offer, they are not really much faster than a good hd drive. but more expensive ssd's are a different story.

                      ............:
                      This western digital and it's big brother would be my choice as of today for price/performance on a low to Mid system like a car PC. Intel M and OCZ Vertex Turbo 2 (or others with finalized Sandisk firmware) are other good choice, but more expensive. All of these are overkill for an atom. Western Digital came on the market at a premium price and found buyers weren't going to pay extra for the name. So for now these are cheap.

                      Many older small SSD on the market are science experiments that will not maintain speed over time. How much that matters on an Atom system is an unknown. Another good choice for an inexpensive system is getting a used laptop drive from a friend.

                      Were nearing the end of spinning drives in portable systems.

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                      • #12
                        SSD's make a big difference accompanied with Atom processors.

                        We are talking up to 100MB/s read/write advantage and at least 5s faster boot times. SSD's also aid in heavy computational operations like encryption and compression.

                        Note this boot chart:
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                        Notice how much IO wait there is. The cpu is basically hanging out waiting for things to load. And this is just an Atom270! Not even a dual core atom.

                        Edit: this is with an 32GB OCZ Core Series SSD
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                        • #13
                          +1 on the VM70

                          ive had one stuck in for over a year now and made another with ebay parts. its a good deal for the money but the firmware's blue screen is a bit of an annoyance, but can be solved ultimately by cutting the power to it with the pc. do not flame me but i think the board inside holds the same model #'s as one of the Lilliput models (hitachi). check ebay, i got mine for under 100 shipped, via best offer

                          but they use NASA grade glue to put them together, so if you dont have patience avoid taking it apart.

                          BTW the M3 atx has plenty of power for an atom but the m1/m2 has made for a poor reputation for the smaller classes of psu's

                          also the few threads i have had the chance to be apart of where people upgraded from hdd to cheap ssd, seems they were slightly disappointed. all im saying is do a search and spend some time reading up on some threads. you can now get 500 gb for half that price and it may perform just as good. check out toms hardware page on ssd speeds and compare them, too

                          i love the atom. i'm upto 4 so far (3 mini itx 1 netbook) but i cant comment on the D510 or the gma 3150

                          @trip0, you got me while i was typing,

                          your chart doesnt seem to display which ssd was used (or what hdd was used) i'm not extremely studied in sdd's but if i remember right there are 2 different architectures of flash memory, basically one being slow and cheap-ish and the other being faster than an oil spill but just as expensive (intel x)

                          maybe some one can verify that though

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                          • #14
                            Right, not all SSD's are created equal. If you do want the speed and are willing to pay the premium (which is getting cheaper), go for it!
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                            • #15
                              I am going for the new OZC Agility 2 SSD. I know they are a bit overkill, but I want to use 2 of them in raid 0 so I can have the fastest boot time (Yes TripZero, that speed thread you did is still driving me to have a fast setup, lol).
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