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    Arby or presslab,

    as you may know I keep getting very high ratings on my +5 and +12V outputs (+8 and +26) to be precise. I tried giving the psu some load to stabalize these voltages, but that didn't work.. Now arby said on his site :" If one voltage is right, but another wrong, then you didn't wind the transformer properly. "

    is this true? I thought the dc site from the original psu regulates the voltages? I was thinking that when I wind the transformer wrong the DC site would blowup or something, but everything seems to go ok (except for the IRF's that get so damn hot, even with a very large heatsink....)

    Marsjell

    [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: marsjell ]
    If at first you don't succeed.........
    destroy all evidence you tried

    for info on t6369c LCD or Presslab's powersupply check:
    http://www.namms.tk <=updated!!

  • #2
    Yeah, I think you wound the transformer wrong, the reason you get the correct voltages on the -5volts is because that if obtained by regulating the -12volts (or in your case -26) The reason the -12 is -26 is because this doesn't use a regulator, but rather uses the same windings as the +12volts does. It is also possibly that you wound the primary incorrently by my calculations, if you were to wind 2turns on the primary, rather that 3, the outputs would be about 8.3volts on the 5volts, and about 19.9 on the 12volts, so, from that calculation, it may seem that either you have incorrectly wound the primary and the 12volt windings, or my calculations were incorrect..

    The secondary part of the circuit does not regulate the power, it just converts it to DC (using mospecs), and filters it with capacitors, and inductors

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    • #3
      Originally posted by marsjell:
      <STRONG>Arby or presslab,

      as you may know I keep getting very high ratings on my +5 and +12V outputs (+8 and +26) to be precise. I tried giving the psu some load to stabalize these voltages, but that didn't work.. Now arby said on his site :" If one voltage is right, but another wrong, then you didn't wind the transformer properly. "

      is this true? I thought the dc site from the original psu regulates the voltages? I was thinking that when I wind the transformer wrong the DC site would blowup or something, but everything seems to go ok (except for the IRF's that get so damn hot, even with a very large heatsink....)

      Marsjell

      [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: marsjell ]</STRONG>
      Hi Marsjell,

      It does seem like it may be wound incorrectly then, or possibly connected wrong. If you hook the negative side of the +5V winding to the +3.3V winding positive, this would give you +8.3V (about) if your power supply was not designed to work like this. Do you have the original transformer? Did you take it apart and note the number of turns and their connections? If you don't remember the number of turns it might be easier to start with a new PSU, with the old transformer and primary circuit. I also had to rewind my transformer a couple times to get it just right. The IRF540s will get hot, but with no load they should be below 120 deg F (hot to the touch, but doesn't burn). They have a maximum operating case temperature of about 300 deg F. That's pretty toasty! I had a fan in my PSU.

      PressLab

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      • #4
        Yeah, I didn't think of actually connecting the transformer wrong... But I don't think the supply is ATX.... is it marsjell???

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        • #5
          PressLab a quick question ...
          How can we reduce the heat dispertion of the mosfets? I dont mean by putting a fan on it or something, i mean is there anyways of making those transistors not to get that hot using the circutry?

          Thanks

          [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Fosgate ]
          Fosgate

          System Comp V3 - In progress.
          Low power MB with C7 CPU, DC-DC PSU, car ECU link, USB TV, GPS, 7" TFT, Wireless, Voice.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fosgate:
            <STRONG>PressLab a quick question ...
            How can we reduce the heat dispertion of the mosfets? I dont mean by putting a fan on it or something, i mean is there anyways of making those transistors not to get that hot using the circutry?

            Thanks

            [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Fosgate ]</STRONG>
            Yeah, use a MOSFET with a lower Rds(on). A good example would be the IRL1404. It's a bit more expensive though. Most MOSFETs are designed to withstand very high temperatures, but a lower Rds(on) will make the supply more efficient.

            PressLab

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            • #7
              presslab,

              I followed your advice and started on a new psu, this time a AT 'cause I didn't have another ATX lying around. Now I finished winding the transformer I noticed that there is absolutly no optocoupler on it, there are however 2 small transformers.

              Do you have a suggestion where to connect the voltage feedback? The +5V output?

              thanks again
              If at first you don't succeed.........
              destroy all evidence you tried

              for info on t6369c LCD or Presslab's powersupply check:
              http://www.namms.tk <=updated!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PressLab:
                <STRONG>

                Yeah, use a MOSFET with a lower Rds(on). A good example would be the IRL1404. It's a bit more expensive though. Most MOSFETs are designed to withstand very high temperatures, but a lower Rds(on) will make the supply more efficient.

                PressLab</STRONG>
                Yeah thanks PressLab... I'll look into it.
                Fosgate

                System Comp V3 - In progress.
                Low power MB with C7 CPU, DC-DC PSU, car ECU link, USB TV, GPS, 7" TFT, Wireless, Voice.

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                • #9
                  hm just tried the rewound AT PS (220V input)but now I have really high values.. somewhere around 31V and 26V maybe I've been stupid, arby wrote that you should have somewhere between 40-50 windings on the prim. side, I had 36.

                  My windings where :

                  prim side:
                  36 windings single wire

                  sec side:
                  3 windings 4 wires
                  3 windings 4 wires (wound in oposit(?) direction)
                  these windings connect directly to the ground on the "output-side"

                  4 windings 2 wires
                  4 windings 2 wires

                  do these windings mean I have to rewind in another way?

                  please help, as I am totally stuck...

                  thanks, Marsjell

                  [ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: marsjell ]
                  If at first you don't succeed.........
                  destroy all evidence you tried

                  for info on t6369c LCD or Presslab's powersupply check:
                  http://www.namms.tk <=updated!!

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                  • #10
                    No, you would wind it the same way as described... If the PS didn't have an optocoupler, where did you connect the opto leads???

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                    • #11
                      Look very carefully for the opto's... my power supply had them HIDDEN UNDER the two smaller transformers! suprized the hell outta me
                      www.arbybean.com

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                      • #12
                        No I'm quite positive there aren't any opto's the only place they could be is on a very small bord with smd coomponents, but this is molded in plastic...
                        If at first you don't succeed.........
                        destroy all evidence you tried

                        for info on t6369c LCD or Presslab's powersupply check:
                        http://www.namms.tk <=updated!!

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                        • #13
                          bweh,

                          as my voltages were so high +31V on the 12V lead, I thought wel let's see what'll happen if I increase the primary windings, this should bring the output voltage down right?

                          not right, the voltage on the +12V lead is still about 31V. I adjusted the resistor from max to min, didn't make any difference... why didn't the voltage change when I increased the prim windings from 3 to 4?????

                          please help
                          If at first you don't succeed.........
                          destroy all evidence you tried

                          for info on t6369c LCD or Presslab's powersupply check:
                          http://www.namms.tk <=updated!!

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                          • #14
                            I haven't seen the schematics yet but, could it be a faulty voltage regulator?
                            Have you rechecked your wiring?
                            If it ain't broken, open it to see what makes it "tick".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by marsjell:
                              <STRONG>bweh,

                              as my voltages were so high +31V on the 12V lead, I thought wel let's see what'll happen if I increase the primary windings, this should bring the output voltage down right?

                              not right, the voltage on the +12V lead is still about 31V. I adjusted the resistor from max to min, didn't make any difference... why didn't the voltage change when I increased the prim windings from 3 to 4?????

                              please help</STRONG>
                              the feedback voltage is too low, to bring the foodback voltage up, the input to the transformer is increased, and the outputs are increased too, so the feedback is right...... thats the problem, what have you connected it to??? That makes sense doesn't it???

                              [ 01-22-2002: Message edited by: SkinnyBoy ]

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