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    Hey, dled your program, played with it for about 10 mins before i was flooded with questions.
    1. how to resize the skin maker screen to 800x480?
    2. will the shuttlexpress work with this program? I mean, its independantly programable so in theory it should, but i haven't gotten it up and running on my proposed CPC system yet (designing on my multimedia station).
    3. Will Bruno's speech recognition work with it?
    4. Can i make it, when the button is clicked, that a sound is played?
    5. I've dabbled in visual basic. Why would your system use up so much that you would recommend a 2.0 ghz cpu? I mean, unless i'm completely mistaken, and no offense meant, all it is is a touchscreen and car friendly start menu that ties into other programs, with a few nice goodies of its own. why such high specs? I'm seriously at a loss on this one.
    6. I have an audigy NX, like everyone else on the forum. Why wouldn't i get the equalizer settings to take effect off the card since it san indiependat sound system...or will i?
    7. can i change my media player to creative's so i can use the CMSS for the Line in?


    Thanks for your help and answers. I'm really looking forward to tweakin ghtis program to suit my needs. Honestly, your FE program fits my needs about 85-90%, whch is more than most, and i do appreciate your work.
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  • #2
    I'll answer the ones I know.
    Originally posted by Genesisfactor
    Can i make it, when the button is clicked, that a sound is played?
    No.
    Originally posted by Genesisfactor
    I've dabbled in visual basic. Why would your system use up so much that you would recommend a 2.0 ghz cpu? I mean, unless i'm completely mistaken, and no offense meant, all it is is a touchscreen and car friendly start menu that ties into other programs, with a few nice goodies of its own. why such high specs? I'm seriously at a loss on this one.
    I'm not sure where you're getting this information, but we've never really published an official hardware recommendation.
    Originally posted by Genesisfactor
    I have an audigy NX, like everyone else on the forum. Why wouldn't i get the equalizer settings to take effect off the card since it san indiependat sound system...or will i?
    Try as I might, I cannot resist the urge to throw in some sarcasm here...

    I was not aware of the fact that EVERYONE on this forum has an Audigy NX.

    Seriously tho, the equalizer you speak of probably only works if you leave it running. I'm not familiar with it as mysteriously I don't have an Audigy NX. Sorry, couldn't resist... =D

    Originally posted by Genesisfactor
    can i change my media player to creative's so i can use the CMSS for the Line in?
    No.
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    • #3
      hehe, i dished out sarcasm, i get it back, its all good:-).

      But allow me to reply with a bit of sarcsm on my own . Where did i get my system requirements?

      http://www.mediaengine.org/download/...gineManual.doc

      sorry, had to!
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      • #4
        To be fair it does list the min requirements as
        CPU: Pentium II 300Mhz.
        Memory: 64MB Ram

        I'm sure that updating the database would be faster on the "better performance" system, but quite honestly it just looks like it was arbitrarily chosen.


        As far as I can tell the skin maker runs at whatever resolution your desktop is set to, so if you want to work in 800x600 just temporarily set your resolution down to that.

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        • #5
          Yes, but that wasn't the question, was it? Everyone has a min requirement of a PC from the last century. XP can run on specs like that (not well, but it runs, i have friends that will verify). My cuirousity is spurred because there are graphic intensive games from a a few years back, like Medal of Honor, Allied assualt, or KOTOR that have lower recommended specs than this program. My point: those hare some really high specs, even for arbitrary. Its like a toyota that recommends super (other than the TT Supra). I am curious to simply know the reason, that's all. If there is no reason, i will be satisfied with that.

          Oh, phat, the good news is that when creative is the sound card, the EQ runs all the time, through system playback. I'm sorry to hear you dont' have one, are you sure you didn't lose it or something? . Seriously though, what EQ do you use, i'm considering getting one for myself.

          I didn't say thank you for your answers before, so i apologize for the slip. I know i'm giving you a hard time, but i wouldnt' be if i wasn't using your program as my front end, if that means anything.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Extent
            I'm sure that updating the database would be faster on the "better performance" system, but quite honestly it just looks like it was arbitrarily chosen.
            I'm not sure exactly how to interpret that comment, but database build time is almost exclusively a function of disk throughput. Unfortunately that's a performance spec that's frequently compromised in a carpc.

            I can't really answer the question of where the 'optimal' requirements came from as I didn't have much to do with the creation of the manual (which I might add is horrendously outdated). My personal carpc is an Athlon 3200, which is overkill to the extreme. On the other hand, I had a motherboard meltdown earlier this year (more like a cracked trace) and temporarily used my 2.4g celeron on a Biostar mobo that was no match whatsoever to the Intel board that went kaput. My point there is that CPU speed somewhat relative, and not the only factor that impacts system performance. The horsepower debate could go on forever, but it all boils down to what you want / can afford. I prefer to have lots of extra CPU, and I pay for it with battery banks and power accessories to keep all those extra clock cycled ticking (look at my sig for pics of my install). I also know of ppl running it on an epia 800 and feel it works adequately for their needs. A couple years ago someone gave me an EPIA 800, and after loading windows on it and tweaking for hours I gave it back. Nowhere near fast enough.

            Originally posted by Genesisfactor
            Oh, phat, the good news is that when creative is the sound card, the EQ runs all the time, through system playback. I'm sorry to hear you dont' have one, are you sure you didn't lose it or something? .
            Perhaps the reason I don't have one is because you've forgotten to donate one...

            Originally posted by Genesisfactor
            Seriously though, what EQ do you use, i'm considering getting one for myself.
            You'd be hard pressed to find one like I use. It's ancient; from the car audio dark ages, though in my defense it was essentially free (it cost me one diode to repair). I'd like to own a better paragraphic EQ, but this one does the job and the price was right.

            My EQ

            I'm not at all familiar with the capabilities of the Audigy, but I can tell you that I've listened to and tested a number of software DSP systems, and I've been impressed by none. DSP is something that should be embedded and isolated to a dedicated CPU that does not share the burden of other time sensitive processes such as decrypting / decompressing DVD video, etc.

            Originally posted by Genesisfactor
            I didn't say thank you for your answers before, so i apologize for the slip. I know i'm giving you a hard time, but i wouldnt' be if i wasn't using your program as my front end, if that means anything.
            Any time. Sorry I couldn't offer more complete informations for you.
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            • #7
              hehe, thanks for letting me know you didn't recieve my donation...i was wondering why i didn't see it on my tax return

              believe it or not, i'm being offered an Alpine 3402 or some infinity glove mounted crossover. I can't afford the hifonics V11. Hehe, i'm doin it old school! But i'm tyring to get a good recommendation. Dont' need DSP if i can get 4.1 or something out of my setup.

              What eq is that? I'm with you on staying away fromsoftware based, but i make do with what i got.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                believe it or not, i'm being offered an Alpine 3402 or some infinity glove mounted crossover. I can't afford the hifonics V11. Hehe, i'm doin it old school! But i'm tyring to get a good recommendation. Dont' need DSP if i can get 4.1 or something out of my setup.
                I'm so out of the high-end scene today, that none of that means much to me. AudioControl used to be the gold standard of signal processing back in the day (1990), but I've let my magazine subscriptions expire long ago.

                Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                What eq is that? I'm with you on staying away fromsoftware based, but i make do with what i got.
                I'm almost ashamed to say, but next to the uber ghetto Power Acoustic 3-way crossover I guess it's actually a step up. That would be an LA Sound LEQ26 13 band. I believe LA Sound evaporated in the mid nineties, but as I recall they were considered to be the poor man's Precision Power (pastel color schemes). If it ever rolls over and dies I'll have to look into a 4 band parametric. Oh, and to save on any possible ridicule I might be inviting for the PA crossover - I've re-engineered it extensively - lowering the fixed crossover points and whatnot. I also had to hardwire around the switch contacts that proved not to enjoy the years of vibration.
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                • #9
                  hehe, no ridicule, i'm poor too, lol . That's a pretty sleek set up actually for the probable cost (except the vinyl...i'll tell your shop teacher on you!). I was 5 in 1990, but around '95 is when these things started being built to break, so i guess i missed a golden age in terms of quality. The Alpine is a '93 model, supposedly competition, i was hoping you heard some good things about it or could lead me to better prospects. Its expensive...almost as much as what i paid for my set up thus far... PM or im me, please. My handle here is my SN. Would love to talk and pick your brain and maybe even get back into VB programming.
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                  • #10
                    And the Quest Continues...

                    Hey, instead of starting a new thread, i think i'll just continue this one...

                    More Questions

                    1) Is there any wayt hat you can make the Play Music Button open something other then the embedded winamp player....like Creative MediaSource (Sorry, i just like that programm, really desire to use it)

                    2) BSR 1.3.1 is free, so i don't think i need to donate it to you. hehe, but in all seriosuness, i wouldn't mind if there was some voice control capability to it. Simple way of doing it is the ability to make the buttons and then have the "statement" run that keystroke. Like, Main Menu woudl be F1, music F2...and so on. I mean, fi you could make it so that all the buttons were mappable...good times!

                    3) I've been having issues with the skinmaker. Lots of them. Biggest one ismy inability to get it to work. maybe its an effect of the car accident, but i wouldn't mind having an AIM convo on it cause i fear i'll be that slow as i'm not getting it now. I have the background ready,
                    I want to change a few things, like text color throughout and text itself. I want to just mess around with it.

                    4) how do i add .mov decoding capabilities? I tired and was not successful. Same with WMV. The Halo 3 Trailer plays like crap and wihtout sound, while some of the other mini movies have bad artifacts in them. In Windows Media Player, this doesn't happen (just saying that the files are good). Can i make a movie playlist as well? When i try to select, it plays the move, but ofcourse, i could just be doing it wrong.

                    5) I am going to be running extendind desktop in windows. I shouldn't be doing much to change around the second display at all (not really clicking in there). It iwll be running Y!WE (yahoo Widgets Extension) as well as displaying my night vision output. The output will be continous, so no biggie on the

                    that's it for now. thanks again!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                      More Questions

                      1) Is there any wayt hat you can make the Play Music Button open something other then the embedded winamp player....like Creative MediaSource (Sorry, i just like that programm, really desire to use it)
                      Not unless it can emulate winamp at the API level.

                      Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                      2) BSR 1.3.1 is free, so i don't think i need to donate it to you. hehe, but in all seriosuness, i wouldn't mind if there was some voice control capability to it. Simple way of doing it is the ability to make the buttons and then have the "statement" run that keystroke. Like, Main Menu woudl be F1, music F2...and so on. I mean, fi you could make it so that all the buttons were mappable...good times!
                      We've never been big fans of conversing with electronic devices, so voice control is something that we're not likely to embed... ever. Unfortunately there are no programmable keystrokes to initiate the individual main menu items, but that has been repeatedly requested recently (by you iirc). If I ever get the XM receiver problems resolved I'll try to do something along these lines for you in the 2.3.5 release.


                      Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                      3) I've been having issues with the skinmaker. Lots of them. Biggest one ismy inability to get it to work. maybe its an effect of the car accident, but i wouldn't mind having an AIM convo on it cause i fear i'll be that slow as i'm not getting it now. I have the background ready,
                      I want to change a few things, like text color throughout and text itself. I want to just mess around with it.
                      Aside from stating that AIM is evil and you shouldn't use it...

                      I've never really figured out how to use the skinmaker either. It's a huge hunk of crap. I'm not artistically gifted so building a skin isn't something I'd really attempt anyway. Here's the only tutorial on it that I'm aware of. It's probably very outdated, so good luck.

                      EDIT: there's also a skinmaker tutuorial stickied at the top of this forum.

                      Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                      4) how do i add .mov decoding capabilities? I tired and was not successful. Same with WMV. The Halo 3 Trailer plays like crap and wihtout sound, while some of the other mini movies have bad artifacts in them. In Windows Media Player, this doesn't happen (just saying that the files are good). Can i make a movie playlist as well? When i try to select, it plays the move, but ofcourse, i could just be doing it wrong.
                      For part 1, read the FAQ.

                      On part 2, there's really nothing that MediaEngine does with the video except pick the display size and aspect ratio. Otherwise it's being played by mplay32.exe - if it doesn't play well there (start>run>mplay32) then it won't play well in MediaEngine.

                      On part 3, I don't believe the playlist builder will let you add videos to a playlist, but I could be wrong. I'll have to test it out. If not, this falls under the category of a feature request.

                      Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                      5) I am going to be running extendind desktop in windows. I shouldn't be doing much to change around the second display at all (not really clicking in there). It iwll be running Y!WE (yahoo Widgets Extension) as well as displaying my night vision output. The output will be continous, so no biggie on the
                      I think you got cut off before you got to the actual interrogatory, but I'm going to get my crystal ball out and guess what you were going to ask. No, there's no way to tell MediaEngine what display to use, at least not to my knowledge. If my crystal ball is on the fritz please feel free to re-state your question. We won't charge extra...
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                      • #12
                        hehe to answer a few of the responses, i try not to ask questions without reading the FAQ's and tutorials. I'm not trying to be annoying...well....not really.

                        I don't want to mess with the good thing you have goin g with WinAMP. I just wanted to know if i could make the Play music open an external window so i didn't have to go through external apps to, well, play music

                        To BSR, i i was trying to say, cause i kinda remember saying that you didn't want voice control integrated, that keystroking everything would accomplish the same goal. As a token of my gratitude, if i get BSR to work, what i would do, if you did this, would be to post up my .ini file (basically the commands). DL BSR and you get ME with VC! i get what i want, you get people off your back. The function keys seem to be the least used keystrokes and are therefore the best options. I mean, there are 12 of them...and then there is the alt key modifier...hehe it just goes on

                        Your crystal ball is pretty hot. Better than my brain at 4 or 5 AM. Basically, if ME runs in the "primary" desktop when its maximized, that's pretty much fine, as long as i can possibly rearrange a few widgets on the other desktop. There are programs that already assign which desktop displays what and i plan on using them.

                        AIM is evil. I was forced to use it because too many other poeple did as well. I have yahoo and MSN. PLus its the only IM that allows me to to send a whole directory

                        Skinmaker....hehe...let's not get started...

                        That's the weirdest thing (it doesn't work in mplayer). It it says it can't decode the codec...BUT ITS MICROSFOT'S CODEC (WM9). Well, what do you expect...gah. But that really blows...

                        I'm goign to ebe using a Gyration Ultra GT KB and mouse with my set up, so i mean, maybe i could map a few things. I am going to have issues with it not being able to play WM files and .mov...I have a request, but not right now. THe others are more importnat

                        Thanks again! Hope you're having fun. If i had XM, i would be on your beta tester teamQ!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          I just wanted to know if i could make the Play music open an external window so i didn't have to go through external apps to, well, play music
                          That's not really how you worded your question, but the answer to that one is no as well. Sorry. Launching user-definable apps from the main menu isn't something I can implement in 1/2 hour or less, so you're just going to have to wait until the next major rewrite.

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          As a token of my gratitude, ... i get what i want, you get people off your back
                          Currently you're the only 'people' on my back for voice control or hotkeys to launch stuff from mainmenu...

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          AIM is evil. I was forced to use it because too many other poeple did as well. I have yahoo and MSN.
                          Why are you admitting things like this publically?

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          PLus its the only IM that allows me to to send a whole directory
                          WASTE is the only thing I'll use for I/M + P2P. It's far too complicated for mortals to configure, so my network is small and quiet just the way I like it.

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          That's the weirdest thing (it doesn't work in mplayer). It it says it can't decode the codec...BUT ITS MICROSFOT'S CODEC (WM9). Well, what do you expect...gah.
                          So it doesn't play in wmp, and you read the FAQ, and asked anyway? As an end-all be-all you might look into autoGK or <cringe> Videora to convert your stuff to a more universal format such as XVID AVIs. Life would be so much easier if people would quit feeding MediaEngine garbage and blaming it for burping.

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          I'm goign to ebe using a Gyration Ultra GT KB and mouse with my set up, so i mean, maybe i could map a few things.
                          What exactly is your point? Why do people drop (product / brand) names and expect them to mean anything to me?

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          I am going to have issues with it not being able to play WM files and .mov...
                          Not if you follow my advice and convert them to a format that doesn't suck. Sure, that means you won't be able to play that cool clip you just got I/M'd to you of the idiots ripping the bumper off that stuck cavalier. Man, life just isn't fair.

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          I have a request, but not right now. THe others are more importnat
                          Other[s]? I'm not sure why you needed plurality on that word. Also, you might as well state your other request. That way I can ignore it now instead of at a later date.

                          Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                          Hope you're having fun.
                          I'd be having fun if a half-naked bikini model walked in and sat down on my desk and started handing me ice-cold bottles of Miller Lite. Arrange for that to happen and all your wishes will come true (and I'll probably get fired from my 9-5).
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                          • #14
                            To answer a few questions

                            Originally posted by phat_bastard
                            That's not really how you worded your question, but the answer to that one is no as well. Sorry. Launching user-definable apps from the main menu isn't something I can implement in 1/2 hour or less, so you're just going to have to wait until the next major rewrite.

                            I can wait. Sorry, once agian, 4-5AM. I'm surprised i found the right sub forum...

                            Currently you're the only 'people' on my back for voice control or hotkeys to launch stuff from mainmenu...

                            Currently. Its about the future, man!

                            Why are you admitting things like this publically?

                            Helps me sleep better at night i guess.

                            WASTE is the only thing I'll use for I/M + P2P. It's far too complicated for mortals to configure, so my network is small and quiet just the way I like it.

                            I can't help that i frequently tear apart laptops and they think a computer is only useful for email and writing reports, or that a high end game is yahtzee or something that was a direct port off of an Atari system. I mean, seriously, the only reason why i got a phone was cause everyone had one and insisted on calling me. Gonna get on my case for that one too?

                            So it doesn't play in wmp, and you read the FAQ, and asked anyway? As an end-all be-all you might look into autoGK or <cringe> Videora to convert your stuff to a more universal format such as XVID AVIs. Life would be so much easier if people would quit feeding MediaEngine garbage and blaming it for burping.

                            I can't help it. I feed it the only baby food in stock. I'm sure i can go out the the fields, pick the oranges and bananas myself, puree them, and give it, but that invovles me actually getting up. I have a fear of doing that unless it has to do with food or women. i'm aware converting doens't require me to move, but i was illustrating that to say that i'm lazy.

                            What exactly is your point? Why do people drop (product / brand) names and expect them to mean anything to me?

                            its something i would advise you to look into. Plus, it helps by not giving you the excuse of saying, "what are you talking about?" and gets us to the point where you say "i don't care" faster. See how well and smoothly that worked?

                            Not if you follow my advice and convert them to a format that doesn't suck. Sure, that means you won't be able to play that cool clip you just got I/M'd to you of the idiots ripping the bumper off that stuck cavalier. Man, life just isn't fair.

                            Yeah Bungie with thier Halo 3 surprise teaser...oh, apparently the guy drives a neon! Sure its in quicktime, BUT IT DOESN'T PLAY THAT EITHER!

                            Other[s]? I'm not sure why you needed plurality on that word. Also, you might as well state your other request. That way I can ignore it now instead of at a later date.

                            I could have SWORN i wasn't the one who started that thread...

                            I'd be having fun if a half-naked bikini model walked in and sat down on my desk and started handing me ice-cold bottles of Miller Lite. Arrange for that to happen and all your wishes will come true (and I'll probably get fired from my 9-5).

                            You shouldn't have gotten fired...i didn't. Then again, what's your work's address? Christ, if all i had to do was ask a freind to do me a favor, you could have asked that after my first post and we'd all be happy now, wouldn't we? we could have been rather square 9 posts ago and you have only yourself to blame!

                            Good times

                            I'll wait for the next release as i play aroudn wiht this one more. I need that damn skin to work...

                            I guess all in all, i just need mapped buttons, an ability to externally link the main menu, and a working skinmaker and i'm golden. Oh yeah, and to ask one mof my friends to take a trip to whereever you are and wait for you at work.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                              I'll wait for the next release as i play aroudn wiht this one more.
                              Just so we're clear, for assigning external apps to main menu buttons I said the next major rewrite, not the next (bugfix) release. That may not happen this year.

                              Originally posted by Genesisfactor
                              I guess all in all, i just need mapped buttons, an ability to externally link the main menu, and a working skinmaker and i'm golden. Oh yeah, and to ask one mof my friends to take a trip to whereever you are and wait for you at work.
                              You should really ditch the idea of using the skinmaker if you're at all concerned with making your skin work the way you want it to. The app is more of a tool to rough-in the general look, while tweaks should be performed in a text editor.

                              I'll do what I can for mappable main menu buttons in the bugfix build I'm working on currently. I have no estimated release date for it at this time.
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