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    Dear all,

    I'm currently looking into the options of providing support for Microsoft Outlook. The main reason is to use the address book as a source of destination addresses when doing route planning.

    There are third part synchrnisation tools out there (that are free) so we will probably incorporate one of them to synchronise with the computer.

    There is also the possibility to provide access to the ToDo list and maybe a calendar / reminders...???

    Any thoughts / comments?

    Andrew
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  • #2
    Hey Andrew,

    I love the idea. I wouldn't probably use it that much but it is nice to have the expandability options.

    I would use the contacts as destinations at times. Keep up the good work

    Cheers
    -Jesus- King of Kings Lord of Lords

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    • #3
      Not that my opinion matters too much, but as I already discussed with Satish, it's hard to imagine this feature being high up on the priority list. I have access to most of the MS software, but don't have a reason to use Outlook at home. I'm wondering what value this feature would be to most of the VOICES target user base?

      Does anyone think that the ability to import address book (contacts) information from a text file might be a better/cleaner option than direct synchronization with the Outlook PAB? Moreover, do you really want the heavy weight collaboration data objects (CDO) or MAPI code integrated into VOICES? Will coding this up ultimately require Outlook to reside on the carpc (ewwww) as well?

      Just my off the cuff comments. Feel free to kick me around if needed.
      2004 4runner

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      • #4
        http://support.microsoft.com/default...055&Product=mp

        Helpful?

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        • #5
          The plan is not to tie in the synchronisation part as there are plenty of third party bits out there. Besides some people would want to Sync with a PDA, others PC to PC over wireless LAN.

          If you want to import from a text file, then write a CSV to Outlook / PAB tool.

          The Outlook object would be low impact and yes Outlook would need to be on the CarPC. Rando, what is your issue with Outlook being on CarPC?

          Andrew
          06 Volvo XC90
          Use to have installed MII 10000/512Mb/40GB, Lilliput 7", OPUS 90W, Wifi-G PCMCIA, Head Unit Aux adapter, Delorme GPS, XM PCR, Audigy NX, RR
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          • #6
            I think his problem is that he thinks that this should be last on the priority. i.e. dvd/radio/gps/viz/voice control/external appz should be priority.

            I would have to agree with this although i would like the feature
            -Jesus- King of Kings Lord of Lords

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            • #7
              I agree, unless as is being discussed in this thread http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24752 things are open source. This would allow people to add what they want to add. A high priority for person is a low priority to others. Software being Open Source enables everyone to manage their own priorities. It also enables faster development.
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              • #8
                My primary issue with Outlook on the carPC is one of resources. Outlook is a heavy weight (read that: resource hog) desktop user application. The typical carpc is resource limited when compared to a typical desktop PC (less processing power, less RAM). The majority of Outlook's features serve little to no purpose on the typical (non network connected) carPC. Outlook is expensive and requires a license. Many (if not most) carpc users do not use Outlook nor own a licensed copy of Outlook.

                If a list of names and addresses is the real feature you desire, this can be implemented in a manner that would consume substantially fewer resources than using Outlook. The implementation complexity is probably roughly the same. Morevoer, compatibility with Outlook could still be preserved, if desired.

                Last, but not least, is the point that antimatter raised above. Given the roots of VOICES in dashPC, one might assume the priorities are as such.

                1) Rock solid GPS support with voice navigation, voice recognition, auto route correction, ..... (insert your navigation wishlist here), and a user interface tailored to touch screen, voice, and/or other typical carpc input devices.
                2) Tightly integrated music playback (Radio, MP3...) that works seamlessly with the GPS system
                3) Ability to disable features in 4-6 while vehicle is in motion based on external sensor/switch/etc (i.e. parking brake, gear shift position, ...)
                4) Video, DVD, TV Tuning playback
                5) External applications / Games
                6) Visualizations, Skins, other UI enhancements, Import/Expot with other apps, PDA functions, Web browsing, OBD integration, etc.

                Obviosly, there are other valid orderings of the priorities. This is (again) just my off the cuff idea of how to go about building VOICES.
                2004 4runner

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                • #9
                  Again, as I've mentioned: Software being Open Source enables everyone to manage their own priorities. It also enables faster development.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by skippy76
                    I agree, unless as is being discussed in this thread http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24752 things are open source. This would allow people to add what they want to add. A high priority for person is a low priority to others. Software being Open Source enables everyone to manage their own priorities. It also enables faster development.
                    Open source or not, the project will benefit from prioritization. And I'm not saying there aren't any priorities with VOICES or even that the priorities are wrong. I was just suprised to learn that Outlook integration is a priorty and feel that Outlook integration is an 'interesting' design decision.

                    Also, unless I missed something, VOICES is not open source, right?
                    2004 4runner

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                    • #11
                      I think outlook integration is a great idea. It's free with outlook express. For those that don't want to use it, it shouldn't get loaded and then it won't take up any more resources and it saves you from having to rewrite a ton of parsing code for csv files etc. Who cares about prioritization, it takes all of 15 minutes to write the code to open up outlook and read an address from it. It's better to design it in early on then have to rewrite everything later.
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                      • #12
                        Outlook and Outlook Express are two completely different products. I'm fairly certain I can write a CSV parser without createing 'tons of code.' More importantly, that's not the correct trade-off since there are numerous APIs in windows for abstracting access to various types of text files (csv, xml, ...). Thus if you do it right, you wouldn't be writing any parsing code at all.

                        If this whole discussion is truly over 15 minutes of work, then why are we discussing it? On the other hand, if the 15 minute estimate becomes hours or days when the full capability of the feature is implemented, debugged, and tested, then priorities become an issue again.

                        You are right, it is better to 'design' features in early. Implementation is another thing all together. During solution design, it's best to start with generic interfaces when possible and only move to proprietary solutions (outlook direct) when other factors (schedule, budget, specific customer requirements) dictate.

                        That's my 2 cents on this issue.
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                        • #13
                          I think that Open source is good....However me myself arent as talented as many here discussing this issue. I have no ability to write or design software. That being said I rely soley on the developers to add functionality and features so priority to me means a lot.

                          I would rather see the core funcitons being discussed than the other non essential. Skippy you are right that my core may be different than your core functions and this may be a core function to you however who cares or even who would use the program as it is when you have the ability to use outlook and still no video/dvd/mp3 support. It is even unusable by the developer (you and satish) at this state. Thats why this is being discussed regardless if it takes 15 minutes or not. I highly doubt it will take 15 minutes

                          All in all I incourage You (skippy) and Satish on your journy. I really am impressed with the navigation module and I hope you guys keep the ideas and input from your followers (us that have no programming skills that get excited about your project) and realize that the majority of users wont be able to write code and rely on you as the developer to ad functionality

                          Cheers
                          -Jesus- King of Kings Lord of Lords

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                          • #14
                            Thanks all for the comments.

                            It was never mentioned that this was a high priority item. It was simply an idea being looked into.

                            Regarding Open Source, this is for Satish (SilentAdmirer) to answer. Ultimatly, anyone who knows C++ and wants to assist is allways welcome to provide help and support.

                            Once again, thanks to everybody for their suport and opinions.
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                            Use to have installed MII 10000/512Mb/40GB, Lilliput 7", OPUS 90W, Wifi-G PCMCIA, Head Unit Aux adapter, Delorme GPS, XM PCR, Audigy NX, RR
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                            • #15
                              That was how i interprited it.

                              I love the navigation portion. I hope the rest of the application turns out as good. I wish i could offer my services in C++ however i have no programing experience however i do have interface design experience. My offer still stands to help build an interface. I have built many interfaces for websites. That experience can be ported to building an interface for this application.

                              I have free time and am happy to help.
                              -Jesus- King of Kings Lord of Lords

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