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  • USB 8 relay board from Sigma-shop (Does it works with RR?)

    I just purchased Centrafuse (Actually, I'm still waiting on the license after 4 days now) but I've sent them the money via Paypal direct cause their checkout didn't work on the website. They said it worked on their end, so I guess the 4 computers I tried it on all had the same problem.
    One of the main thing that got me to CF was the option to have a USB 8 relay board that can be controlled via plug-ins. I guess the board comes with a software and someone just made some nicer looking interface to work with it.
    Well.... that pluggin is about the only thing that works stable on this system, and after seeing eLite II which is in the making, I'm totally blown away by the quality and features.

    So again my question is, has anyone ever did some sort of pluggin for the usb relay board?

    Also, is RR really hard to get going, I'm just worried for that since with CF, I've seen a ton of blue screens, non-working devices or devices interfering with each other (2 music track playing at the same time) and stuff.... Technically I don't even own the license yet (even if I paid for it) but I'm already regretting the purchase...

  • #2
    one warning on the sigma-shop board, it may not follow usb suspend rules, thier 1 relay board did not, and left itself on, when in suspend...
    which is a NO NO, and could result in a dead battery...

    as for plugin, i doubt it, its only 3 bytes it needs to turn a realy on or off... a plugin would be very easy, specailly in .net!
    or you could code a command line program... and just call it directly from RR

    run;relayctl.exe|1 1

    that means relay #1 on

    run;relayctl.exe|1 0

    that means realy #1 off

    ---------- Post added at 12:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 PM ----------

    OR, you could (shameless plug) buy a MJS Gadgets USB-IO-1, its 4 relays, but there is a plugin for RR (and CF too)

    http://store.mp3car.com/MJS_USB_IO_1..._p/com-134.htm
    -Thanks
    Mitch
    www.rush2112.net

    "Did you test it in carwings??"

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    • #3
      Thanks for the reply Mitch.
      Actually, I own the sirius control box, the 4 to 1 Line in box and the USB to serial cable from you LOL (PS: do you have a link to download exe drivers for those as I don't have a CD-ROM in my carPC, so I always have to make a ISO for them on my home PC :-P)

      The board not following suspend rule is something I'm not sure of. Does it means the USB stays on even when the PC hibernate? Cause the +12V going to each relay N and to the main board are all coming from a constant +12V and that constant wire is controlled by a relay triggered by ACC. Meaning if the car ignition is off, the relay is off and no power goes to the board. ironically though, I notice after installing the board that my PC doesn't start from hibernate in the morning after leaving it overnight. This kind of indicate that it's possible that something is drawing my power below 11V which turns off my PC from the M3-ATX. (This is just speculation since I have not tested the V reading off the battery yet.)

      Mitch, although I've already spent enough money on that sigma-shop board along with a really really really nice box for it, I'd be willing to dish it for something that is more reliable (If there is really something wrong with the relay board from sigma. I don't really know how to test it). Do you have a screenshot or link to the pluggin for RR or CF?
      I'm seriously considering switching to RR, especially after seeing the eLite II demo :-0

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      • #4
        It is VERY easy to skin this, and make it look however you want it to.

        Here is a screen capture of it in the DFX skin. I am not done with the screen, and was for testing only.
        Attached Files
        Front End of Choice: Ride Runner (Is there anything else??? ) & Powered by the DFX5.1 Skin Available in the Mobile App Mart

        My Fiero Build Thread

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        • #5
          woah! You just did that? so quick! haha
          I actually have no clue how to even come close to understanding how to make a plug-ins. I was looking for something similar to this pic:


          But Running on RR

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          • #6
            WIth RR, you design the screen they way you want to look, in your favorite pain program like Photoshop or Gimp. Load that image into the skin editor, and you can then add buttons, labels, indicators where ever you want them, anywhere on the screen.

            This is a quick and dirty demo skin somewhat copying the one you posted in CF.

            This is a working skin. I have a couple LED's hooked to relay #1. When I click the first button in the skin, the LED's turn on, click again, they go off.

            Also, in this skin, all of the labels / fonts are in the skin file, and not in the image. You can load the skin into the RR Skin editor to change the labels, or even do it in notepad
            Attached Files
            Last edited by JohnWPB; 04-26-2011, 11:30 PM.
            Front End of Choice: Ride Runner (Is there anything else??? ) & Powered by the DFX5.1 Skin Available in the Mobile App Mart

            My Fiero Build Thread

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            • #7
              Damn! Yeah that's really sick!! This one is perfect! So when I install a skin (For example, eLite) I would need to modify your relay plugin to work with that skin, or does it just adds in there?

              Speaking of relay board, after not even a few days or using it, I think I fried it last night. Learn the hard way that you can't connect the +12V going to the board while the usb is plugged in with the PC on. (I just hope it didn't damage my mobo). Now when I plug the relay board usb, all the 3 lights (yellow, red, green) stays solid and the computer won't discover the new usb. Couldn't see any sign of anything burned or broken, so I don't even know what broke on it. It just won't show up as one of the COM in the hardware manager. Guess I'll have to buy another one :-( ...Should have been some sort of warning for that since normally for car stuff, plugging the 12V in doesn't hurt the component.

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              • #8
                all my drivers, etc are on my sky drive... and my website

                http://cid-ed9324dabf9c9cb3.office.l...se.aspx/Public


                see in RR, its command, u make buttons and attach commands to them...

                in CF its hardcoded plugin... VERY VERY VERY limited
                -Thanks
                Mitch
                www.rush2112.net

                "Did you test it in carwings??"

                Sun, Come shine my way
                May healing waters bury all my pain
                Wind, Carry me home
                The fabric of reality is tearing apart
                The piece of me that died
                Will return To live again

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                • #9
                  <-- Grabs bucket of water to put out any forth coming flames...LOL

                  CF = Limited, RR = endless possibilities.

                  Oh, did I mention free too.
                  RideRunner...The #1 FE, PERIOD.

                  Current Project: DFXVoice [v1.0 Released]
                  Next in line: RRMedia v2.0

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                  • #10
                    hehe, well I paid for CF already so sucks to be me lol. But I'm planning to take the computer out of the car to do a fresh install (It's behaving all weird)... I might take RR a look & shot. Although I'm definitely looking into the Elite II skin.

                    Mitch, I have a question for you. Well, first of all, so I sent an email to sigma-shop, asking them what happen that my board stopped working lol and I asked them about the usb suspend rule issue. I have not heard back from them after a few days.... hmmm lol. One thing I'm very consern though is immediately after I've removed the relay board, now the computer wakes up from hibernation in the morning. Previously when I would start the car in the morning, the computer would do a full start up, indicating that the PSU shut down during the night. Only thing I can think of is the PSU would detect a low voltage and shuts down for safety. I never tested this but the signs seems pretty obvious. Anyways, this big red flag leaves me to ask you, is it possible to have 2 of your relay box working in the same program? In other word, I need at least 6 relay for now, maybe more in the future. your relay box only have 4. So, is it possible to have 1 plugin open, with 8 relay but like, one row of 4 would be for relay box / usb1 and the bottom 4 row would be for relay box / usb2 ?

                    PS: Although I've been seeing good help with CF forum, I feel RR forum is much more active...

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                    • #11
                      yes, you can have more than one of my relay boxes going.. and fully controllable... how about 10, 100 too.. well what ever the max usb devices is

                      again, you are thinking in CF terms, RR works much deeper... you could have NO buttons on the skin(for the relays), and still control every relay!

                      its just a command, can be used on any button, or even..

                      ie when a certin screen is shown, have a relay go on...
                      when say... u press pause. have a relay toggle...
                      endless possiblilities
                      -Thanks
                      Mitch
                      www.rush2112.net

                      "Did you test it in carwings??"

                      Sun, Come shine my way
                      May healing waters bury all my pain
                      Wind, Carry me home
                      The fabric of reality is tearing apart
                      The piece of me that died
                      Will return To live again

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                      • #12
                        I appreciate all the help, I'm definitely convinced on going with 2 of your usb relay for now. But since I'm still waiting on Elite II to be completed before switching to RR, and because I've already paid for CF, is there somewhere that I can find a plugin designed for CF 3.5 that allows the 2 relay boards to work with the option to write down the name on each relay button (IE: Amp1, Amp2, Interior light, Heated seats, Rear TV) ...

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                        • #13
                          my plugin for CF works for up to 4 of my USB-IO-1
                          the plugin has it limits, and thats only because of CFs limitations
                          but you can control 8 relays...

                          m
                          -Thanks
                          Mitch
                          www.rush2112.net

                          "Did you test it in carwings??"

                          Sun, Come shine my way
                          May healing waters bury all my pain
                          Wind, Carry me home
                          The fabric of reality is tearing apart
                          The piece of me that died
                          Will return To live again

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                          • #14
                            i can not promote mitch's products enough. i've never done any programming or skinning and; with some help from a very helpful vendor.... i'm up and running... with a few stumbles as i go. i have 4 of mitch's boxes (considering getting another) controlling various aspects of my boat. i modded elite lite's skin for my application and it's going pretty smoothly.

                            here is my progress so far:
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g38ue5OOW4A

                            and among 6 pumps, navigation lights, interior lights, engine push button start, and cruise control interaction it also is controlling this
                            http://youtu.be/4avDfYhNS18
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                            • #15
                              Hey Mitch,
                              Thanks for all the help with the relay suggestion. Like you said, my previous 8 relay did have the problem of draining my battery whenever I would put the system to hibernate, something kept feeding power to the relay switch.
                              I just installed your relay switch box (2 of them) and am currently using it on CF3.5 (Until a skin from RR comes out and I get enough guts to take over it)
                              I have my Halo lights, grill LED and interior LED connected to Relay 1 and on relay 2 I have my speaker amp, sub amp and rear TV. The software installed well and everything seems fine except for one thing. Whenever I turn off the car and my CarPC goes to Hibernate, the relay software on CF automatically turns off all relay. In other word, everytime I turn on the car and the PC comes back on, I have to open the plugin in CF and have to turn on the relay. Is there a way to set it up so that it remembers the last settings so that I don't have to re-do the same thing.
                              One more thing. Is there a way to change the name of the pluggin to something like Relay instead? The current name of the pluggin on my CF doesn't really fit well with the minimalist look of the rest of the displays.

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