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    I have just fitted a Creative Sound Blaster ZxR Soundcard. My problem is that in RR Config I have lost the ability to chose 'Line in to unmute' in radio setup (Using ultimate DAB V5). The only options are 'disabled' and 'volume'. The line in on the ZxR shows up in Windows sound. I re-installed the drivers for Realtek with no change. un-installed the drivers for Creative, and the choices are back.
    Can anyone help with this, have just spent 200 and the sound is so much better, I dont want to go back, dont want to be without radio either.
    Jeff

  • #2
    rr can only control whats exposed to windows...

    you don't mention OS, but lets assume a modern os like win7

    if creative don't expose the playback mixer mute points, rr wont be able to control...
    no will windows


    remember the LINE-IN must show up on the PAYBACK side of the mixer

    like here:
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    Last edited by mitchjs; 04-06-2013, 08:42 PM.
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    Mitch
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    • #3
      when I look at the product... there is no support for line-in live playback on the mixer....
      (at least none that I can see)
      (this isn't the 1st product they made with this limitation, and people have complained in their forums)

      your only choice is to do capture... via winamp's line in plugin
      -Thanks
      Mitch
      www.rush2112.net

      "Did you test it in carwings??"

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      • #4
        you can also run the CoreAudio Mixer Control Explorer.exe app
        in C:\Program Files\RideRunner\VistaMixerControl folder...
        -Thanks
        Mitch
        www.rush2112.net

        "Did you test it in carwings??"

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        May healing waters bury all my pain
        Wind, Carry me home
        The fabric of reality is tearing apart
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        • #5
          Mitch
          Thanks. Windows 7 (32)
          ZxR does support live playback of aux-in, (That, independent mic in, AEC and quality playback is why so much cash), it all works fine, I just cant mute radio.
          Creative does not show aux-in in playback of Windows.
          Next step was to try line-in through Realtek and line-out of Realtek into aux-in Creative, (I only listen to voice on radio so quality not an issue). After re-installing Realtek drivers, I can see Line-in control in windows playback, and it all works. BUT in RR config the only options in 'line-in to unmute' are disabled and volume. The only way to get back options is to un-install Creative drivers.
          I have never used Winamp.
          I will look into Coreaudio mixer control.
          Sounds so good now with 41Hz amp9 and 2 small subs dont want to go back.
          Jeff

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          • #6
            you cannot use the line in of the realtek, and the output of the creative
            unless you capture!
            back to winamp line in plugin for that

            rr only controls the DEFAULT sound card
            so... if that's the creative, then it can only access what creative chose to expose
            and if there is no controls in the playback side of the windows mixer (line) it cant be done by rr!

            what player are you using, only winamp has the linein plugin... no one that I know of has done one for say foobar2k
            Last edited by mitchjs; 04-07-2013, 07:31 PM.
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            Mitch
            www.rush2112.net

            "Did you test it in carwings??"

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            Wind, Carry me home
            The fabric of reality is tearing apart
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            • #7
              Mitch
              I have used RR for 2 years without Winamp, just used WMP with Radio plugged into 'rear blue-in'. selected 'rear blue-in' in 'line to un-mute' and everything worked as it should.
              I hoped the ZxR aux-in would show up in RR, it does not. the next try was ZxR as default playback, Radio into Realtek and out to ZxR., this works and I can mute/un-mute radio from Windows sound manager.
              The bit I did not get is that RR only shows default player, thanks now it makes sense.
              So if I use winamp with the line-in plugin that will give me control of line-in on the Realtek with ZxR as default?
              Thanks
              Jeff

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              • #8
                no, when you use the line in plug in, you would be capturing from the ZxR, and playing though the ZxR
                there would be no mute, nor do I see the need for one, cause once capture stops, audio stops...

                you can complain to creative, for not exposing the AUX-IN in the playback side of the mixer
                -Thanks
                Mitch
                www.rush2112.net

                "Did you test it in carwings??"

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                May healing waters bury all my pain
                Wind, Carry me home
                The fabric of reality is tearing apart
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                • #9
                  ok, most people use winamp, WMP fine... (I guess)

                  you cannot play ACCROSS sound cards, without capture... ie make the computer "record" the audio, then play it back to the default playback device
                  btw this adds latency
                  -Thanks
                  Mitch
                  www.rush2112.net

                  "Did you test it in carwings??"

                  Sun, Come shine my way
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                  Wind, Carry me home
                  The fabric of reality is tearing apart
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                  • #10
                    there must be SOME control of the AUX-IN somewhere, maybe in some creative application...
                    maybe the is a command line interface (not likely)
                    now that I think of it, if its not mixed on the playback side, then there is no control for it
                    nor need to control it

                    it just doesn't work the way you want it to...
                    -Thanks
                    Mitch
                    www.rush2112.net

                    "Did you test it in carwings??"

                    Sun, Come shine my way
                    May healing waters bury all my pain
                    Wind, Carry me home
                    The fabric of reality is tearing apart
                    The piece of me that died
                    Will return To live again

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                    • #11
                      Thanks
                      I have already been on to Creative, regarding exposing settings to Windows, reply from customer help - 'I have spoken to product development and this is not done, nor will be done in future issues'. 'I suppose this has something to do on the way audio-architecture is designed on Windows 7'
                      Also 'unfortunately control switch for the aux-in or line-in is only available from the SBZ control panel'.
                      In the SBZ control panel - mixer, all inputs have volume, mute and a settings button, in here you can adjust balance and 'listen to this device', but you cannot toggle this from anywhere else.

                      You can play across the Creative, in line-in, out front speaker out. Line in set as default, playback on, record off. Speakers on (not default) this just passes analog through. this all works (as a bodge, its not the way I want to do it) you can toggle playback on/off in Windows/sound/realtek speakers/properties/levels, but RR wont as its not default.

                      I have installed Winamp and the linein plugin. I can play the radio through Winamp.I Have set 'Winamp' and 'use Linein plugin' in config. Now in RR when I go from music to radio nothing, then i go back to music and I have radio playing. I guess this can be sorted? (yes I did test it in carwings)

                      As the radio is now being 'recorded' constantly, what will happen with Mobilephone.net, will the other party just hear the radio?

                      Have to go away working for a few days (without music), will play again next week.
                      Thanks again

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                      • #12
                        get the line in plugin working outside of RR, its all about your config string

                        as far as mobilephone.net who knows, they shouldn't be capturing aux, only mic...
                        -Thanks
                        Mitch
                        www.rush2112.net

                        "Did you test it in carwings??"

                        Sun, Come shine my way
                        May healing waters bury all my pain
                        Wind, Carry me home
                        The fabric of reality is tearing apart
                        The piece of me that died
                        Will return To live again

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                        • #13
                          The linein plugin works fine stand alone, if I plug a MP3 player into Aux-in I can get it to play through Winamp with "line://" or "line://title=Radio,srate=44100,bps=16,nch=2"

                          With RR running, going from AUDIO playing to RADIO, I get radio skin and have control of radio, music pauses but no sound, can go back to AUDIO fine.

                          If I go into RADIO, open Winamp manually and select play - URL - line://title=Radio,srate=44100,bps=16,nch=2 then I can hear radio.
                          When I go back to AUDIO I get Music player skin but still hear radio with line://title=Radio,srate=44100,bps=16,nch=2 in the TAGARTIST-TAGTITLE label

                          Its as if RR is not sending commands to Winamp. Could it be that I am using V5? I recall you posting some time ago something like "Only a handful of people worldwide are using V5 in RR"

                          Away for a few days now
                          Jeff

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                          • #14
                            v5 of what?
                            winamp?

                            don't hide winamp so you can see what its doing...

                            that line, doesn't specifiy which device to use, which means it will use the default
                            and which input to use...

                            there is more to the command line

                            more like

                            line://dev=x

                            best it to make presets
                            I do like
                            create an alias for the LINE IN or what ever its called
                            and make a preset called radio
                            and its like dev=AUXIN

                            you will figure it out....

                            m
                            -Thanks
                            Mitch
                            www.rush2112.net

                            "Did you test it in carwings??"

                            Sun, Come shine my way
                            May healing waters bury all my pain
                            Wind, Carry me home
                            The fabric of reality is tearing apart
                            The piece of me that died
                            Will return To live again

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                            • #15
                              Back home and sorted it thanks

                              V5 is Venice5 DAB Radio.

                              Linein command in RR Config left as default (line://title=Radio,srate=44100,bps=16,nch=2)

                              Set up alias "Auxin"

                              Set up Preset "Radio"

                              Aux on the ZxR daughter board has to be set to default in the Windows sound manager

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