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  • No WONDER everyone has problems with PHOCO!

    [RANT]

    This has got to be some sick joke

    I have spend the past 5 hours trying to figgure out HOW to skin Phoco and make all of its functions available!
    So far the list of skins required to do this are (According to the skincommands.txt file)

    - Phoco.skin
    - SMS.skin
    - smsoutdetails.skin
    - smsindetails.skin
    - contacts.skin
    - contactsdetails.skin
    - smsnumber.skin
    - smsnumber2.skin



    Ok, the list goes on, As Robby_BMW pointed out below, there are actually a few more skins GASP!
    - call-in.skin
    - call-out.skin
    - chose_dial_number.skin
    - chose_save_number.skin

    and to be able to use phoco you need too:

    - osk.skin
    - numosk.skin
    - confirm.skin

    If that's not bad enough, 75% of the commands to control PHOCO do not work on 80% of the skins!

    For instance: (From Skincommands.txt)
    "Save" - In Screen: "smsoutdetails.skin"/"smsindetails.skin" -- Save SMS to Archive
    So this command will not work, when displaying the messages in either the Phoco, or SMS skins, ONLY from the 2 mentioned. Even though the message title can be displayed on the Phoco.skin, you cant do anything with it, delete it, view it, have it spoken nothing...

    So from the main PHOCO screen , I can have a button to go to the SMS skin, I can look at the list of SMS messages, but can not view the details without loading another skin, then to not be able to view the other types of messages in/out/archive ect which I have to go back to a different skin, to then select a message, and load another skin to send an actual message, but not from the Phoco skin, where the contacts are listed, but from another skin that has to pull in the contacts, strictly for the purpose of sending a message.

    I have found myself going completely in circles, and downloading every skin I can find to see how to possible get commands to work on what skins and how. I am losing my mind here......

    Is it not possible to make more of the commands available globally, so they work on all the phoco pages, instead of limiting certain functions to a certain page?

    If not, can someone point me to a skin that has FULL Phoco support. The trusty "Reference Bible Brushed Metal" skins do not support but a small percent of PHOCO, and honestly, I can see why!!!!!

    [/RANT]
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  • #2
    Check Robby's BMW skin..

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    • #4
      Ehm... you have forgot:

      - call-in.skin
      - call-out.skin
      - chose_dial_number.skin
      - chose_save_number.skin

      and to be able to use phoco you need too:

      - osk.skin
      - numosk.skin
      - confirm.skin

      however this is the maximum skins request, in fact to get working phoco only these skins are required:

      - phoco.skin (you can get calls and sms in this skin)
      - smsoutdetails.skin
      - smsindetails.skin
      - contactsdetails.skin (necessary only if you have planed to use the inernal phonebook)
      - smsnumber.skin
      - call-in.skin
      - call-out.skin (basically the same as call-in.skin)
      - chose_dial_number.skin
      - chose_save_number.skin (basically the same of chose_dial_number and necessary only if you have planed to use the internal phonebook)
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      • #5
        Originally posted by JohnWPB View Post
        [RANT]


        If that's not bad enough, 75% of the commands to control PHOCO do not work on 80% of the skins!



        [/RANT]
        This is phoco's biggest problem,its just not flexible and it never will be.
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        • #6
          i guess i'm one of the few who actually likes the fact that there are so many screens for phoco. Each one serves a purpose. Its not like you have to jump thru a ton of screens to make and receive calls. How's it any different than using your cell phone to navigate. U wanna send an sms, you go to the sms menu, wanna check your call lists, same thing. Personally having skinned for phoco from scratch i'd be even more confused if i hadda throw in 3 different features on one screen.

          That bein said.. .i've NEVER seen the smsnumber skins in use.. those are just junk :P
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          • #7
            I have no problem with my skin (ASTRO) to make and receive calls. I can browse my phone book, make calls from them, add to the contacts list, it works just fine. I don't even send text messages with my phone so therefore I don't have it in my skin. And then I have a more important job to do in my car....Driving.

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            • #8
              probably the biggest reason is it takes an engineering degree to configure phoco.
              Add RR to the mix which is like linux of the frontend world (i ment that in a good way) and im sure someone without above average computer skills will be completely lost.
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              • #9
                Originally posted by liquid_smoke View Post
                probably the biggest reason is it takes an engineering degree to configure phoco.
                Add RR to the mix which is like linux of the frontend world (i ment that in a good way) and im sure someone without above average computer skills will be completely lost.
                You're right, there is a learning curve. For some of us it takes weeks, for some month and some give up. What fun would it be if everythings works from the get go. I like to figure things out.

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                • #10
                  well the problem is not everybody considers that type of stuff fun. Personally i do (to a certain extent) but some just want the stuff to work so they can tend to other things they deem more important.
                  You can easily spend more time configuring phoco or trying to get it to work with your setup than you did putting your whole carputer together, frontend and all.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Sonicxtacy02 View Post
                    i guess i'm one of the few who actually likes the fact that there are so many screens for phoco. Each one serves a purpose. Its not like you have to jump thru a ton of screens to make and receive calls. How's it any different than using your cell phone to navigate. U wanna send an sms, you go to the sms menu, wanna check your call lists, same thing. Personally having skinned for phoco from scratch i'd be even more confused if i hadda throw in 3 different features on one screen.

                    That bein said.. .i've NEVER seen the smsnumber skins in use.. those are just junk :P
                    Nope your not... I found it easy once I sussed out my layers in PS.... but thats the same in any skin.

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                    • #12
                      It definately is bit of a pain to skin! It's not the skill to do it, it is just a pain to "flow chart it". To call a certain skin, that the commands do work on and be able to use certain commands (and not others) and being able to call other skins to get other things to work on (that won't work on that skin) ect. It's jsut a matter of some serious planning, on what skin to call and what can logically be used on that individual skin, and to do the same to get everything working correctly.

                      And as for needing a bit above normal computer skills to install Phoco???? that is a HUGE understatement!!! I am MS A+ certified, Networking certified, Can program in VB Script, HTML, ASP, DHTML, Java. I have automated my entire home, (Lighting Security, Video/Audio distrubution throughout, HVAC, Motion sensors, security all done with touchscreens installed throughout the home, as well as voice recognition. I also Run my own Internet hosting / consulting / design Company for a living.

                      As for Text messaging, I hate to text message! BUT I have friends that just refuse to simply call about little things, and feel compeled to send me Text Messages! I have hands free in the car, so I can concentrate on driving. The SMS is an extension of that "safety" as when a TM comes in, I just tap the screen and have it read alloud to me using NepSpeech's voices, it sound quite natural and good. You will NEVE see me trying to TM someone while driving, but having incomming read alloud, is a very handy feature.
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                      • #13
                        Nice HA system John, I've got an HA system as well, using MisterHouse.
                        It's not quite as sophisticated as yours but it integrates all lighting, motion, alarm and touchless entry into the house.

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                        • #14
                          Home Automation

                          LS and MGD, I do also concider it fun in a way, I just hate the restrictions palced on skinning Phoco. Could you even immagine making a RR skin, that say the "PLAY" button would only work on the Menu.skin, and AudioBrowser.skin and thats it? It's basically what skinning Phoco has turned out to be for me. That, and virtually no documentation whatsoever as a reference. The RRSkins text file dosent mention half of the skin names, nor really give any examples. I am good at figguring stuff out, trust me. The info in the above posts should hopefully give me anough to go on now to complete my skin. Thanks guys.

                          Robby_BMW: Thanks for the quick over view. I could find no documentation on how to really set up a Phoco skin, aside from just seeing the names referenced in the SkinCOmmands.txt. Even that dosent mention half of the skin file names in the list above. If I have documentation, or examples, I can make something work 99% of the time. But doing it blind (without knowing the skin names themselves) is virtually impossible!

                          SkyWise, Thanks. Yea thats something I have really been wanting to add! Thought about the finger print scanners, but they are NOT reliable, as anyone that watches "Myth Busters" knows! And, I also want it untouchable. Was thinking on the lines of using my Bluetooth phone to be spotted on the network, and have HS trigger an even based on that. RFID COULD work, but Problem is RFID range is so limited still, just a few inches for most of the consumer stuff.
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                          • #15
                            What Phoco needs is additional Generic screens where you can use all commands,its a real pity the way its currently set out.
                            I've mentioned this to robby before but he's concerned it will cause other issue's if he starts playing with the structure of things.
                            I designed a skin to look and function the same as my nokia but Phoco couldn't support it,all the functions are there but i couldn't call them from most of my screens.
                            I went with the nokia layout because it would of made Phoco a breeze to navigate but it wasn't to be.
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