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    Hope I go the right place to post. I got a minor problem with RR on startup becasue I am using the Silab USB radio and this DLL:

    http://code.google.com/p/silabsradiodll/

    but my problem is not restricted to Silabs and believe it or not, in this country FM (and even AM radio) are going to be around for a long time..

    So anyway, here is the problem:

    On startup, there is quite a lot of noise (eg. Background Hiss) which I have traced to the Silab by disabling all other sound devices in the system. The moment I press the Music button on the BMV2 skin the hiss dissappears. This behaviour is still present on the latest release.

    It would appear that when the music player is selected all other sound devices are muted.

    So would it be possible for RR to mute these other devices on startup (or whatever RR does when the music player is selected to mute the hiss)?

    Alternatively, is there a command that could be embedded into the BMV2 skin to kill the hiss?
    RodW
    2007 Toyota Hilux with a CarPC..

    Worklog: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...ota-hilux.html
    OziExplorer GPS Embedded in RR: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/sb-s...iexplorer.html

  • #2
    im not sure there is any issue here....

    if you dont have say, xm or sirius, what lines that are muted before RR is started
    stay muted
    RR doesnt mute or unmute anything explicitly on start

    and this statement is odd
    It would appear that when the music player is selected all other sound devices are muted.
    what are other sound devices?


    my guess, the silabs fm tuner(someone get me one) brings its audio in via usb audio, and that dll uses directshow or some capture method to bring audio to the speakers
    -Thanks
    Mitch
    www.rush2112.net

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    • #3
      Mitch, with the Silab installed, a new sound card appears in the Windows Mixer(Options/Properties/Mixer device). It also appears as a sound controller in device manager. I had to disable the device in Device Manager to make the noise go away. I'll check some more details but it could be USB Audio. Muting it in the Windows Mixer had no impact.

      With Silabs enabled if you start RR, the moment you press the Music Player button in menu.skin, the noise cuts out and I have clean sound. So what does RR do at that point it does not do when starting the player on startup?
      RodW
      2007 Toyota Hilux with a CarPC..

      Worklog: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...ota-hilux.html
      OziExplorer GPS Embedded in RR: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/sb-s...iexplorer.html

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      • #4
        Ok the device is called USB Audio and the sound card is called FM Radio
        RodW
        2007 Toyota Hilux with a CarPC..

        Worklog: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...ota-hilux.html
        OziExplorer GPS Embedded in RR: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/sb-s...iexplorer.html

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        • #5
          SOUNDS LIKE the SILABS DRIVER IS capturing audio and sending it to the WINDOWS PLAYBACK DEVICE

          nothing happens special when u play music, other then the music playing

          the problem is in the that silabs dll.. it prob shouldnt send any audio data to the playback device, unless its told to

          i have in my mind how that dll and its audio works... but without having a sillabs tuner, im prob not going to be able to fix anything in that DLL

          if u stop music (pause winamp), do u hear the hiss?
          it can also be that the RR plugin or what ever RR does to talk to the silabs, has told the silabs to shut up... i dont know

          i really only EVER focused on HD Radio

          if i get one of these tuners, i might be able to play
          -Thanks
          Mitch
          www.rush2112.net

          "Did you test it in carwings??"

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          • #6
            fyi, i just purchased the silabs....
            -Thanks
            Mitch
            www.rush2112.net

            "Did you test it in carwings??"

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            • #7
              rodweb, how are u managing audio for the silabs..

              its just a audio capture device, my self, i prob would avoid directshow
              and capture it... the winamp line-in plugin would do it

              for sure NO hiss when i start RR, no fm at all till i decide how i want to manage the audio from it
              -Thanks
              Mitch
              www.rush2112.net

              "Did you test it in carwings??"

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              May healing waters bury all my pain
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              • #8
                the .dll might and claims it has a directshow filter for audio...
                it doesnt work for me... i hear nothing
                course its documentation and example has a lot to be desired

                i feel for anyone who is using this tuner on a CAR PC... the directed/visteon much better
                at least for us folks in USA
                -Thanks
                Mitch
                www.rush2112.net

                "Did you test it in carwings??"

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                May healing waters bury all my pain
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                The fabric of reality is tearing apart
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                • #9
                  stinking tuner doesnt shut up when its hw is closed...
                  i added a mute...

                  i dont for sure see any issues
                  with open audio, but im not getting any directshow playback here
                  im manually capturing and listening to it (a program i wrote)

                  BUT the tuner in MUTE, capturing has HISS!!
                  (but volume has to be very loud)

                  i havent found a OFF for this tuner

                  Even thier (silicon labs demo program, when muted is HISSY)

                  my suggestion is new tuner

                  technically, the capture could be stopped when the tuner is muted, and then it would be slient... but again, it goes back to how audio is managed

                  ie, getting from the tuner to the speakers!
                  -Thanks
                  Mitch
                  www.rush2112.net

                  "Did you test it in carwings??"

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                  • #10
                    Sorry for being slow responding Mitch. I live on the wrong side of the world!

                    It seems that a post I wrote about my sources didn't make it. Sorry about that.

                    I am running the BMV2 skin and this DLL
                    http://code.google.com/p/silabsradiodll/

                    I see Guino's been involved in this and there is a Digital Car UK Forum thread on that site where (I think) I found a link to the BMV2 skin for it.

                    When I put my system together, this was the best DLL out there by far!

                    They talk about a line in hardware mod for Silabs on that UK thread but because my laptop does not have an AUX in, I have not gone down that path.

                    I suspect you are right. Silabs is pretty average. I think my way forward will be to put a head unit back in my car and either buy one of your audio switches or buy an external USB sound card with on.

                    I've got the head unit but I need to fit one of these as my monitor now occupies the dual DIN.

                    See: http://www.4wdinteriors.com/roof_console.html
                    Only problem is that these cost AUD $425 plus the cost to get an AUX in into my car so it is not a trivial exercise.

                    The other advantage of adding a head unit is that I would aslo get AM radio which is all that is available in the Australian outback.

                    Funny that once I select the music player, the Silabs shuts up totally! I was hoping you could mod RR to shut Silabs up on startup if the player was active.
                    RodW
                    2007 Toyota Hilux with a CarPC..

                    Worklog: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...ota-hilux.html
                    OziExplorer GPS Embedded in RR: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/sb-s...iexplorer.html

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                    • #11
                      I too have a Silabs radio and I, too, use the Spydemun dll cause it has every option available for the radio within RR. Here's a simple idea to try. What is in your EXECTBL.INI's ONSKINSTART command? Can you run RR, start your audio (MP3) player and then go into mixer and save a preset? If you know the exact name of the preset add it to your ONSKINSTART and that should fix your problem.


                      Since I run multiple skins I have mine in the RR.INI's STARTCOMMAND. Here's what mine looks like:
                      Code:
                      startcommand=PRESET;PRESET1||fbconnect||DIGITALOUT0;TOGGLE||DIGITALOUT2;TOGGLE||DIGITALOUT1;TOGGLE||DIGITALOUT11;TOGGLE
                      You may have to fiddle with the presets command or the actual saved preset since some only save EQ while mine saves all Windows mixer settings.

                      Some reference threads to get you started:

                      http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/road...tml#post629510
                      http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/road...tml#post592650


                      From Guino (03-10-2005):
                      Check the Skin Commands.txt file for how add preset support onto skins.. basically you create a button and when you wish to store the preset you press and hold that button (Half a second is enough). Whenever you wish to load that preset you press that button normally (without holding). Presets will save all mixer info and winamp volumes/EQ by default, but it is possible to make presets only for windows mixer or only for winamp... this allows you to (for instance) make a preset for video playing, one for audio playing, one for Radio, TV... really as many as you want.. then it can be easily loaded whenever you press the "VIDEO" or "AUDIO" button... for this all you need to do is add the commands together (i.e. "AUDIO||PRESET;AUDIO") -- You'd of course have to create an "audio" preset prior to using it (or it won't do anything) -- you can create it by simply pressing and holding any preset button you have (after setting mixer options), then simply copy that .PST file over as AUDIO.PST.
                      HARDWARE: Fujitsu Stylistic ST5111w/WiFi and dock, internal Hitachi 500G HD, external 1TB HD, Sierra Wireless Aircard 550, DVD-RW, BoomzBox HD radio, XM Commander, Delorme GPS, Saitek X-52 Pro joystick, BluSoleil Bluetooth, TPMS, FB, Elm327

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                      • #12
                        GizmoQ, you aere indeed a good gremlin! That sounds very interesting and I will have a play over the weekend. It sounds like it should work...
                        RodW
                        2007 Toyota Hilux with a CarPC..

                        Worklog: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/work...ota-hilux.html
                        OziExplorer GPS Embedded in RR: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/sb-s...iexplorer.html

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rodweb View Post
                          gizmoq, you are indeed a good gremlin!
                          HARDWARE: Fujitsu Stylistic ST5111w/WiFi and dock, internal Hitachi 500G HD, external 1TB HD, Sierra Wireless Aircard 550, DVD-RW, BoomzBox HD radio, XM Commander, Delorme GPS, Saitek X-52 Pro joystick, BluSoleil Bluetooth, TPMS, FB, Elm327

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