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  • RRHD - Road Runner High Definition

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    RRHD - Road Runner High Definition

    This is just an idea. In my opinion, RR has reached the point where it can expand to other platforms such as the HTPC (home theater PC) and UMPC (ultra mobile PC) without any further changes to the source. I know many of you have thought of doing this before so this is in no way MY idea.

    I did some research on HTPC software and surprisingly it is nowhere near as streamlined as you would imagine. Personally, some very old releases of XBMC were far more stable and usable than any current HTPC software. MCE offers some of the best TV scheduling and a solid remote but is fussy about DRM and lacks personalization. Media-Portal, an open-source app created by the founder of XBMC (Erwin Beckers) is also great, but is trying to do to much and appears to be buckling under the weight of it's own features.

    From my initial testing, RR is capable of drawing at resolutions up to 1600x1000 without any major issues (This is more than sufficient for the HTPC). Couple that with the enormous amount of features and I think RR could easily be the next best HTPC software out there. In fact it already is... people just don't know it yet.

    With that said, how many of you are interested in joining me to work on a basic platform for RR HTPC skins?

    btw, feel free to move this thread as it is not exactly car-related

    Here is a shot of RRHD, a WIP personal skin that runs at 2560x1600 and is controlled by my Hauppauge TV tuner remote via Girder:
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    • #4
      I am very interested to see how this develops.
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      • #5
        nice...

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        • #6
          higher resolution

          although 1600x1000 is quite acceptable for HD, id like to see higher res.

          Looks like you have the new 24in dell. Not sure what the existing limitiations of RR are, but it be nice to have true 1080p resolutions at 16x9 and/or 16x10 (1920x1080, 1920x1200 respectivly). Playing 1080p content is the processor intensive, but one of the nicer perks of using a htpc with quality LCD as a display

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          • #7
            d2, It's just a matter of finding out which objects have trouble at these large resolutions. For example, some of the features (fading, drawing backgrounds, thumbnail directory browsing to name a few) that can only go so big.

            The dell in the picture is a 30" 3007wfp. The skin you see on the screen was created at 2560x1600 in PS and is being displayed at a native 2560x1600 (nearly 2 times the resolution of 1080p) so it's not impossible, however it may require some tweaking or the sacrificing of features to get right.
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            • #8
              1280x720p and 1920x1080i are more standard native HD resolutions. I'm also pretty sure they are also the two current most popular broadcast/recording HD standards. Wouldn't it be better to work with most television/monitors native reslution? I've never heard of or seen of any sets that are 1600x1000 native. At least not at the 42"+ size.
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              • #9
                I would still like to recommend u take a look at HTPC frontend called XLobby. Cause its very customizable and im sure itll be easier way for u to reach your goal than converting RR to that direction. That said, If this is direction u wish to pursue, i wish u luck, im interested to see more interaction between car and HTPC frontend scene.

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                • #10
                  @ppgt94: Certainly. Your exactly right, skins should be released in 1280x720 & 1920x1080. 1600x1000 is just a testing point at which I noticed some features could not go beyond.

                  The nice thing is that RR skinning and resizing is far more flexible than any other HTPC software. Media-Portal for example, "stretches" the image to the desired resolution and uses xml skins where most of the objects are loaded from a single png file. In RR, ANY resolution can be attempted and the skinner can very easily offer patches for native resolutions other than 720 & 1080
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                  • #11
                    P3rv3rt B3ar, thanks for bring that up. XLobby appears to be MUCH lighter than Media-Portal and setup was a breeze.

                    some others that I tested are:

                    Nero Home Premium
                    Intervideo Home Theater Platinum
                    Showshifter
                    Cyberlink Power Cinema

                    Out of all of these though, RR has the most features and potential IMO
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                    • #12
                      Dinasty - .

                      Dinasty...

                      I lived (still do in the HTPC arena and you've done a great job of assesment). I actually spent a number of years (still kinda do) with Frodo/Erwin and the Media Portal Team. Prior to that MCE, Snapstream, Xlobby - and all those you've tested and made very good assesments with. Very good.

                      Since my transition full boar into the CarPC arena - no doubt RR is king... I actually tried to get all of the HTPC apps to size well for CarPC - and was short-changing myself. I have a completely digital household for the most part and now have my CarPC as an extension of that while parked in the garage.

                      Pulling any Recording out of this, i.e PVR functions should be #1 and think that is where you are headed (Xlobby is about the closest to RR as anything there because it does indeed try to act as a FrontEnd - not replace the PVR apps)... What I found as the key areas that would need coded/implemented which could be beneficial for both CarPC and HTPC would (for starters be):

                      - MoveDB parsing, i.e. IMDB, Amazon, ... other than that its simply basic browsing and click. Most the good apps support all formats of ISO's and catalog very well. Mount ISOs, Catalog, ....

                      - Remote Control - I have not worked much with RR in remote control areas simply because when I swung to CarPC I decided to make the move to touch as well. Meedio (now Yahoo) as do Xlobby - provision for Touchscreen controllers and assume a Dual Mon scenario with TV acting as the main view and the Touch as the controller.

                      There is a bunch more, and actually was not going to post here (lazy I guess ) but this forum has been amazing for my ventures into the CarPC and felt I could at least share some input here.

                      All in all since Xlobby does not set out to replace a PVR, but run in tandem much as RR would be doing - finding a PVR app that fits snug within (OR) simply using as a backend on Networked PC's in the home to query the Music Archive, and Movie Archive, TV archive... would be where I would see it fitting.

                      Just my 2 cents and input

                      Thanks for all your work here, it's been a great insight for me as I now have 2 heavy iron CarPC's cookin - natural extension of my home infrastructure, and has kept me busy from my HTPC ventures for a while.

                      Thanks...

                      Originally posted by DiNASTY
                      P3rv3rt B3ar, thanks for bring that up. XLobby appears to be MUCH lighter than Media-Portal and setup was a breeze.

                      some others that I tested are:

                      Nero Home Premium
                      Intervideo Home Theater Platinum
                      Showshifter
                      Cyberlink Power Cinema

                      Out of all of these though, RR has the most features and potential IMO

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                      • #13
                        Well the xlobby takes a little time.. to get yourself familiar with... especially cause documentation is unexisting at worst and lousy at the best. But once ur starting to get into it, u realize its huge potential... not only it has drag and drop skinning interface, which makes skins adaptable even for non-skinners like myself, but it also has its internal scripts which u make with matter of mouse clicks, and with them u can define any button to take any possible actions, which not only command xlobby, but also launch external software and control them.

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                        • #14
                          One of the things RR has that is nice, as does Xlobby - is the ease of skinning. Where RR goes a step further - is the TieIN with MPC - and the ability to not only tightly integrate MPC into a skin, but pull the progress data, status bars for vol/duration/misc, as well as all transit controls. Xlobby still struggles here a bit - and ZoomPlayer is preferred but RR one ups them in this area which still kinda blows me away.

                          Some good skinners at Xlobby - as many if not better here - different flavors. The IMDB lookup and MovieDB engine - (again I can't speak for the Remote Control piece) if placed in RR would then likely prop RR above an Xlobby and then could be represented as such - and those skins would make a ton of sense and easy to code.

                          The apps struck me as similar but have to tell you RR is an incredible piece of work - and as Dinasty has mentioned - is really bordering in that arena.

                          Originally posted by P3rv3rt B3ar
                          Well the xlobby takes a little time.. to get yourself familiar with... especially cause documentation is unexisting at worst and lousy at the best. But once ur starting to get into it, u realize its huge potential... not only it has drag and drop skinning interface, which makes skins adaptable even for non-skinners like myself, but it also has its internal scripts which u make with matter of mouse clicks, and with them u can define any button to take any possible actions, which not only command xlobby, but also launch external software and control them.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by kolemieux
                            One of the things RR has that is nice, as does Xlobby - is the ease of skinning. Where RR goes a step further - is the TieIN with MPC - and the ability to not only tightly integrate MPC into a skin, but pull the progress data, status bars for vol/duration/misc, as well as all transit controls. Xlobby still struggles here a bit - and ZoomPlayer is preferred but RR one ups them in this area which still kinda blows me away.
                            Ive made a plugin for this purpose. It integrates ZP to XLobby. It provides progress data to Xlobby, and makes jump with progressbar possible. Among other features. Its currently still on my personal use, theres still one feature and two major bugs i want to implement and hunt down before public release.

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