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  • StreetDeck and Windows XP Embedded

    Has StreetDeck ever been setup with Windows XP Embedded? It seems to me that it would be a much more stable platform that running under full Windows XP Desktop and it would also boot much faser than Windows XP Desktop.

    Windows XP Embedded would also be better platform if one was building a product.

    Thanks

  • #2
    I was going to post something regarding this. Thanks for raising the topic.

    I played with XPE with another frontend. It can be trimmed down enough to fit on a CF card and with the Enhanced Write Filter and Hibernate Once Resume Many feature it is stable, quick to resume and fast overall.

    The problem is you then have an essentially static boot image and still need a second drive for media/programs/paging/hiberfile etc. Upgrading SD, creating all the componentized drivers for the driver DB, adding programs etc. for a one-off would be a PITA.

    Plus the cost. The developer toolkit/SDK is $995/seat and runtime licenses run $90/image.

    BTW Maybe check out Nlite. It is a free tool that lets you strip a lot out of XP and still retain a usable OS. I got images down into the 250MB range using less than 64MB of RAM with little effort. Takes a lot of tweaking to get this kind of thing working but it will work with some patience and skill.

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    • #3
      I agree for a one time it's not the way to go. I was thinking of it more for a system that can be sold with a car and not one for the DIY. The downside of StreetDeck is XP. Linux would be a much more stable platform. XPE is also quite stable. The $90 per copoy is not a problem when you look at the price for full XP desktop.

      Looks like one needs to get the trial copy of XPE and StreetDeck and just try it out.

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      • #4
        Im currently running SD on an embedded XP system. I was lucky enough to get a development edition through where I work. Its slim and trim, but had to go through re-designing the image a few times to put all the things SD needs to run (Windows Media Player and so on). The complete image so far is around 200KB. The digital library runs off a USB 2.0 drive so the media and program are seperate. I would not recommend using a CF disk with XP however, due to the number of repeated writes to the disk, a CF card will last about a year or less. Even with the EWF filter, life span is limited. I get return from hibernation and complete cold boots on par with the CF disk anyway.

        All in all, Id have to agree with StagRLee, the cost for the average joe is way to high for a one shot deal. Personally, Id love it if SD were Linux capable, then I could avoid making my payment to the Bill Gates society all together!

        You want a ride?
        1. Get in
        2. Sit Down
        3. Shut up
        4. Hold on

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        • #5
          ANyone ever tried running SD under WINE or similar on Linux? Might be worth giving it a try if you really dont want to use windows..

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          • #6
            I think someone somewhere on these boards tried it, and ran into a ton of problems with that whole Direct X/MapPoint/Media Player thing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PatrickJW150 View Post
              I think someone somewhere on these boards tried it, and ran into a ton of problems with that whole Direct X/MapPoint/Media Player thing.
              Yep. Too many Windows dependencies. Even if .Net for Linux ever gets completed you still have the WMP, DirectX and MapPoint requirements.

              I've downloaded the XPE Sp2 SDK and I'm going to play with some test images after the next major update to SD is available. If I can get something I like running well, I'll see about getting a non-time-bombed runtime license.

              I'm also waiting for the SanDisk 36GB SSD 2.5" drives to become available. At a $350 target street price I can see finally being able to afford a true solid state boot drive that doesn't require EWF or the risk of burning through CF cards.

              I think I paid close to $350 for my 40GB Hitachi Endurastar ruggedized HDD.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by StaggRLee View Post
                I'm also waiting for the SanDisk 36GB SSD 2.5" drives to become available. At a $350 target street price I can see finally being able to afford a true solid state boot drive that doesn't require EWF or the risk of burning through CF cards.
                Yeah, those things look sweet. If it wasn't for the thing costing more than a Wii I might get one, but...the Wii is more fun. I'd be curious to see how those I-Ram things held up, just as a boot drive of course.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by StaggRLee View Post
                  Yep. Too many Windows dependencies. Even if .Net for Linux ever gets completed you still have the WMP, DirectX and MapPoint requirements.

                  I've downloaded the XPE Sp2 SDK and I'm going to play with some test images after the next major update to SD is available. If I can get something I like running well, I'll see about getting a non-time-bombed runtime license.

                  I'm also waiting for the SanDisk 36GB SSD 2.5" drives to become available. At a $350 target street price I can see finally being able to afford a true solid state boot drive that doesn't require EWF or the risk of burning through CF cards.

                  I think I paid close to $350 for my 40GB Hitachi Endurastar ruggedized HDD.
                  Wow you got ripped off big time.
                  Engineering....Where the unknowing teach the unwilling the unnecessary.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jAyRoCkS24r View Post


                    Wow you got ripped off big time.
                    Actually its a 30GB drive.

                    Priced them lately?

                    Know what one is? Any idea why it matters? Didn't think so.

                    You're an idiot, but thanks for playing. Please collect your parting-gift on the way out. And don't let the door hit you in the ***.

                    When you buy a couple HDDs and have them fail, it's cheap by comparison when you consider replacing them on top of a complete rebuild.

                    Rookie.

                    Logic Supply - Hitachi Endurastar 2.5" 30GB Hard Drive for Extrem

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by StaggRLee View Post
                      Actually its a 30GB drive.

                      Priced them lately?

                      Know what one is? Any idea why it matters? Didn't think so.

                      You're an idiot, but thanks for playing. Please collect your parting-gift on the way out. And don't let the door hit you in the ***.

                      When you buy a couple HDDs and have them fail, it's cheap by comparison when you consider replacing them on top of a complete rebuild.

                      Rookie.

                      Logic Supply - Hitachi Endurastar 2.5" 30GB Hard Drive for Extrem
                      ACTUALLY...I did look at them.

                      I have had same HD in car for almost two years now. No failures. I am using something similar to this:

                      WD Passport Portable (Black) 160 GB USB 2.0 Hard Drives ( WDXMS1600 )

                      AWESOME PRODUCT. And it doesnt cost 400 bux. And its not 40 gb.

                      Seems to me if you have bought a few hardrives and they failed...your the rookie...I did my research and no failures.

                      Oh yeah...relax a lil bit...Its a forum. Time of the month? People say watever it is they think about something. Lets just get on topic here.

                      This is good one too:

                      WD Scorpio 160 GB SATA Hard Drives ( WD1600BEVS )
                      Engineering....Where the unknowing teach the unwilling the unnecessary.

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                      • #12
                        Sorry, how does your "Wow you got ripped off" post pertain to XPE or anything in particular? What were you hoping to accomplish?

                        Don't go picking fights and then play the victim. Tool.

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                        • #13
                          I have a running xpe sp2 on a HP t5720. XPE is free with HP's thin clients, you can download the image from HP.... There is a good .NET install specifically for xpe. what else do I have to worry about to get SD running? (I'm going to have all of my media on usb storage, and only boot from CF, with EWF running obviously)

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                          • #14
                            I have xpe, and want to run streetdeck. what are my requirements, other than .NET runtimes. (I have a T5720... the PERFECT car computer in my mind...)

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