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  • Is streetdeck worth the $?

    Hi all!
    First don't this post the wrong way, I am in no way bashing SD here..

    I was thinking about getting SD (once the demo issue gets sorted out so I can try it), but $199 seems a little steep.
    I've been reading the posts and it seems like there's a few bugs with the app and it also appears to still be under development...

    By using other front ends it seems like you can get most (if not all) of the functionality of SD and a lot of them are free.

    I'm just wondering if someone could let me know if it's worth spending the $200 for the software.

    I can't really make my own decision as I can't get the demo to work more than once (yes I've tried the upgrade with the same results) so I can't test the functionality.

    Also, is there a cheaper version that doesn't have the MapPoint maps?
    I have MP 2006 so I could just use the maps that I currently have.

    Thanks a lot for any info!
    Steve

  • #2
    Ok I will be the first to answer.
    Streetdeck is worth the money. The first time that you start having real problems and you have a phone number that you can call and talk to someone will make you fell better. Also the SD team is always looking at ways to make the product better. Yes there are other frontends that are free and some are very good. But I do not believe any of them have the total overall completeness of SD. With the way the Technology changes, SD will always look like it is in Beta to some(Because SD is always tring to give us the stuff we want).

    You can not use you version of Microsoft Maps with SD. SD uses the Maps differently. Someone else could explain that better.
    Overall I can say for me I have been very happy with Streetdeck and pleased with my purchase.
    Just my 2 cents.
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    • #3
      Thanks a lot for the info.
      I just looked at the skin editor tutorial video and I'm starting to see more what the price point is all about.. plus I'm sure the licensing for the maps and such is a killer..

      Originally posted by mtrydoc View Post
      You can not use you version of Microsoft Maps with SD. SD uses the Maps differently. Someone else could explain that better.
      One of the software requirements for SD is Mappoint 2005 or 2006.
      I took that to mean that it uses the MP maps.

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      • #4
        The only reason I can see to buy it is if you want to support the mp3car store, or you would rather have someone else do the fun than yourself.

        Frontends are free. Very well supported, constantly updated, easily uopgradeable and plugins to the source. Streetdeck has active protection against decompilers I believe so you are out of luck.

        Also no video while driving. No GPS entering while driving. Basically you pay extra to limit the functionality of your CarPC. Only worth it if you would like it handed to you in a shiny package, and aren't really looking for complete CarPC functionality.

        I of course am biased because I am a frugle bastard who will only resort to paying for something if I cannot program it or build it myself.
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        • #5
          Totally worht it!

          I think it's well worth the money. StreetDeck is an awesome product. I won't say it's perfect and it's glitches drive me nuts every now and then, but you there are great people behind the product and that it will all be fixed some day.

          The way I look at it is that I we are guinei pigs for what's eventually going to become a rock solid state of the art product.

          That's my opinion anyway...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by marchello2000 View Post
            I think it's well worth the money. StreetDeck is an awesome product. I won't say it's perfect and it's glitches drive me nuts every now and then, but you there are great people behind the product and that it will all be fixed some day.

            The way I look at it is that I we are guinei pigs for what's eventually going to become a rock solid state of the art product.

            That's my opinion anyway...

            Mark
            Yes but what can it do, that you can't get for free (plus maps) in these forums?!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
              Also no video while driving.
              That is a good thing in my opinion.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jeffreyd_tx View Post
                That is a good thing in my opinion.
                Multiple monitors for the backseat... They will be mighty non-entertained.

                Also what about music videos? A lot of people have alot of their music is video format.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by marchello2000 View Post
                  The way I look at it is that I we are guinei pigs for what's eventually going to become a rock solid state of the art product.
                  Well that is part of my problem, pay $200 to be a guinei pig / beta tester on a product.

                  From what I've read online the software seems to have all kinds of bugs.
                  I do give a great deal of credit to the developers, they seem to be right on top of releasing updates and bug fixes.

                  It looked "cool", for the 15 minutes I got to play with it, but so far I didn't see anything I couldn't do with RoadRunner (what I'm using now).
                  I just wish I could get the damn demo to work more than once so I could make an informed decision, rather than relying on other people's postings.

                  I appreciate all the replies!

                  Thanks.

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                  • #10
                    HANDS DOWN WORTH EVERY PENNY. No other software bundles all the features you need in a car computer or any mobile media center so nicely as SD does. Not only do you get the features, but you get to edit every little detail about it. SD is going places. This is only the beginning!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mtrydoc View Post
                      You can not use you version of Microsoft Maps with SD. SD uses the Maps differently. Someone else could explain that better.
                      Actually, you can use you your version of Microsoft Maps, as long as that version is Mappoint 2006. I *obtained* a copy of MS Mappoint 2006 (1.3 gig, by the way) so that I could evaluate the nav function of StreetDeck before I decided to purchase it. In another thread within this forum, someone (I believe the SD developer himself), stated that SD doesn't really include Mappoint 2006, JUST the mapdata...thus explaining their ability to offer the data with SD for $199 total when Mappoint is a $269 program if purchased retail.

                      Originally posted by showson1 View Post
                      I just looked at the skin editor tutorial video and I'm starting to see more what the price point is all about.. plus I'm sure the licensing for the maps and such is a killer..
                      The integreated skin editor is a fantastic reason to buy the program, in my opinion...and since it has been built in since the beginning, it works very well.

                      Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                      The only reason I can see to buy it is if you want to support the mp3car store, or you would rather have someone else do the fun than yourself.
                      That depends on your definition of "fun" I guess. My definition of "fun" is not endlessly tinkering with my computer's config...it is enjoying the end result of a working, reliable, car entertainment system. Since SD includes a skin editor, the only "fun" someone is really missing is the work it requires to download, install, and configure the ancillary components that a "free" frontend provides.

                      Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                      Frontends are free. Very well supported, constantly updated, easily uopgradeable and plugins to the source. Streetdeck has active protection against decompilers I believe so you are out of luck.
                      Well, they're sort of free...after all, one's time is worth something, and if a "free" frontend requires 8 or 10 hours of setup work to be functional, that's an opportunity cost.

                      Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                      Also no video while driving.
                      Good. You shouldn't watch videos while driving. You're delusional if you think that watching a video doesn't distract you from driving safely.

                      Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                      No GPS entering while driving. Basically you pay extra to limit the functionality of your CarPC. Only worth it if you would like it handed to you in a shiny package, and aren't really looking for complete CarPC functionality.
                      Safety features aren't exactly "limiting functionality" in my opinion. Do you really need to be entering a multiple character address while in motion? That's just not a good idea. I suppose that selling a gun with a safety to prevent accidental firing due to distraction or impulse "limits" the gun's "functionality" in the same way...and really, it's a solid analogy to the distracted operation of an automobile, as a car certainly has the potential to kill (mulitiple innocent people at once, in fact) due to driver inattention or error, and so is designed to be operated with the least distraction to the driver possible.


                      Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                      I of course am biased because I am a frugle bastard who will only resort to paying for something if I cannot program it or build it myself.
                      Hmmm. Reminds me of the eccentric millionaire who washed and reused his paper towels. ;-) Moderation is the key to life...after all, as Kenny Rogers notes in the gambler, "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run."

                      Originally posted by showson1 View Post
                      Well that is part of my problem, pay $200 to be a guinei pig / beta tester on a product.

                      From what I've read online the software seems to have all kinds of bugs.
                      I do give a great deal of credit to the developers, they seem to be right on top of releasing updates and bug fixes.

                      I just wish I could get the damn demo to work more than once so I could make an informed decision, rather than relying on other people's postings.
                      How is buying a stable, 1.0 version release of a program being a guinea pig anymore than buying a 5.0 version of a program that has incorporated a large new feature set? Both are likely to have some glitches...and I haven't see "all kinds of bugs" mentioned here on the forums...the few bugs mentioned have been relatively specific and minor at best.

                      That's my two cents...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        The integreated skin editor is a fantastic reason to buy the program, in my opinion...and since it has been built in since the beginning, it works very well.
                        Can be done with all the other front ends too. Maybe just not as nicely. And to be specific about RoadRunner, there are many people who do beautiful skins both flash based and not, which are all free as well.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        That depends on your definition of "fun" I guess. My definition of "fun" is not endlessly tinkering with my computer's config...it is enjoying the end result of a working, reliable, car entertainment system.
                        True that "fun" is dependant on opinion. My definition is getting it just the way you want by learning what to do. Not just "ooh, this works pretty well... I'll use it. I wish it did _____. Oh well, maybe they'll implement that later.". It is "I'm gonna do _____", and to quote Picard, I "make it so!". I too enjoy the end result but find myself liking the build, configuration, updates, so much, that I am always updating crap, trying new things, pushing the software to the limit, trying to make my epia mobo freeze from my new skin, or whatever.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        Since SD includes a skin editor, the only "fun" someone is really missing is the work it requires to download, install, and configure the ancillary components that a "free" frontend provides.
                        Exactly. I guess for me this would be bad. For you and other similar, a plus I suppose.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        Well, they're sort of free...after all, one's time is worth something, and if a "free" frontend requires 8 or 10 hours of setup work to be functional, that's an opportunity cost.
                        Time is money, and in my case it cost me about 15minutes from clicking the "download" button on guino's site (RoadRunner author), to getting the same functionality of StreetDeck. I then spent about 1-2 hours getting RoadRunner to do everhything including phone support, direct DVD burning, surfing for a cool skin. So that is over and above StreetDeck, so perhaps should not count. I now continuously do stuff to it, not because I need to, just because I want something else to tinker with.


                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        Good. You shouldn't watch videos while driving. You're delusional if you think that watching a video doesn't distract you from driving safely.
                        Well, no the driver shouldn't. But backseat passengers? I drive up to Ontario, Canada about 3-4 times a year. 1800 miles each way. Takes about 22-24 hours of straight driving each way. Backseat people can watch movies. In Streetdeck, no option to allow it (at least not when I last looked. I think someone requested this to God_Of_CPU before).

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        Safety features aren't exactly "limiting functionality" in my opinion.
                        To me it is unbearable. It is as if everything is limited because of a less functional subset of the species was unable to figure it out. Instead of letting everyone else do it just fine and safely, they must limit everyone. Insert "spoiled apple/bunch" cliche here.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        Do you really need to be entering a multiple character address while in motion?
                        No, that's what a passenger is for!

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        That's just not a good idea.
                        agreed.
                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        I suppose that selling a gun with a safety to prevent accidental firing due to distraction or impulse "limits" the gun's "functionality" in the same way...
                        Being a passive Canadian, I wish that all guns had a permanent safety. If you really want to collect them, make them non-useable. I see no need for anyone to have an AK47 for "hunting". What the hell are you hunting! Wooly Mammoth?!?!?! That's another topic though.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        and really, it's a solid analogy to the distracted operation of an automobile, as a car certainly has the potential to kill (mulitiple innocent people at once, in fact) due to driver inattention or error, and so is designed to be operated with the least distraction to the driver possible.
                        I wouldn't watch movies while driving, nor enter GPS locations, but I would still like the option. Also for someone else in view of the front monitor, should be able to do those things.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        Hmmm. Reminds me of the eccentric millionaire who washed and reused his paper towels. ;-)
                        Doesn't everyone re-use paper towels?!

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        How is buying a stable, 1.0 version release of a program being a guinea pig anymore than buying a 5.0 version of a program that has incorporated a large new feature set? Both are likely to have some glitches...and I haven't see "all kinds of bugs" mentioned here on the forums...the few bugs mentioned have been relatively specific and minor at best.
                        True. I don't fault StreetDeck for what it is meant to do. For what it was designed to do, it does fairly well for a 1.0version. It is the features that they forgot, refused, or were legally incapable of providing in a commercial product that I dislike.

                        The legalities would include the GPS or video while driving. Same reason why US cars cannot be started without the clutch being pushed in. Most people have neough common sense to only start a car when in neutral, or when the clutch is in. Duh. But the few dum-dums who didn't and sued the auto manufacturers in states are the ones who rendered that no good. Being me, I have disabled this "Safety feature" too on my car because I will yell at myself if I happen to start the car in gear, not blame the manufacturer for my mistake.

                        Originally posted by parksgm View Post
                        That's my two cents...
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                        I think it all comes down to this. If you like the configuration and building aspect of a CarPC, then StreetDeck == BAD. If you like to reap the benefits of the configuration and building yet find no interest in that aspect, then StreetDeck == GOOD.
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                        • #13


                          I have used several free front ends. Liked and disliked parts of each. I got tired of having a half-complete feel to my pc and was ready to spend money to be finished. I was going to buy a nav package anyway. I would rather spend my tinkering time using the SD dev environment than trying to reskin a free front end (I suck at graphics).

                          Would I say it's worth $200? Maybe... It does everything I'd want it to and I can add anything else via a digimod. $200 is a lot for software though. So far I've gotten what I paid for and SD will only get better (if they listen to the user$). $150 would've been psychologically more satisfying.

                          Free software is great but I can complain to someone I paid about something I paid for.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                            I think it all comes down to this. If you like the configuration and building aspect of a CarPC, then StreetDeck == BAD. If you like to reap the benefits of the configuration and building yet find no interest in that aspect, then StreetDeck == GOOD.
                            Everybody here has designed, built and configured their system. Some just choose to buy a polished and highly customizable front-end.

                            2k1Toaster's personal preference == THE ONLY RESPECTABLE WAY.
                            time and money spent any other way == A SHORTCUT FOR MORONS.

                            If i didn't know better, I'd say you're that guy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JT555 View Post
                              $150 would've been psychologically more satisfying.
                              I think that's why it's $199 and not $200.
                              Then you people can say it's under $200..

                              Thanks to all for the opinions.
                              I'm kind of torn because I really like the configurability and expandability of the free front ends, but at the same time I don't really have time to "tinker" anymore.. have an 8 month old at home a and a new job.

                              Stuff like inputing GPS and watching videos are not an issue for me. I actually think it's good that you can't.. it's not just because of idiots, just about everyone does stuff like this from time to time.
                              Eating while driving, talking on the phone while driving, etc...

                              If SD was $100 I'd buy it without a doubt, most likely for $150 but $200... sorry, $199... is a little bit steep for me even though I understand why they set that price point.

                              Although I've probably already spent more than $200 worth of time messing with one of the free front ends. Which, if you want to add GPS, aren't really free anyway... yes I know it COULD be gotten for free, but not willing to go that route.

                              Oh well, maybe they'll fix this demo issue and I can actually play with it for a while.

                              Thanks again all!

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