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  • New to CarPC and Linux. Critique my proposal.

    I've been reading the forum for a few weeks now and decided to post my questions since I believe I've exhausted the search. I want to describe the proposed setup of my CarPC and let the geniuses who poke around this forum offer advice before I start reinvesting my tax return.

    I plan on using a 7" Lilliput Touch screen (EBY701), with a GuruPlug Display to run all of my goodies (stats are in the link). It ships with Linux on the internal flash memory. The goodies I want to run are Centrafuse (other suggestions welcome) for the front end, GPS software with rooftop antennae, OBDII hardware, reverse camera, wireless keyboard, Griffin Powermate volume knob, DVD drive, tuner for FM radio and a sound card. I'm looking for options to power this beast and Carnetix seems to get the vote for most CarPCs but will it work with the GuruPlug? Below is a list of components I compiled when I was going with a Windows XP base for this. After some experimentation I determined that tinyXP takes too long to start up on my old donor PCs. I'm hoping for a below 30 second startup; ideally 15 seconds.

    How ambitious is this for me, as a complete beginner, to be tackling Linux? Is Linux going to be a good fit for what I want to accomplish? Is there enough driver support out there for all of this hardware? What are the speed bumps that I may not see?

    Thanks for the time you took to read and think about this. I feel like I'm a little on the cutting edge since the GuruPlug Display unit hasn't been released yet so I want to gather all of the input I can. I sent a similar email to the company which sells the GuruPlug.



    CarNetix CNX-P2140 185W Dual Output Intelligent DC-DC Regulator
    Preassembled Black Double Din LCD Frame with 7" Lilliput EBY701
    ElmScan Compact 5 USB OBD-II by ScanTool
    CMOS Infrared, Night Vision, Waterproof, High Resolution Backup Camera, works with 1" Mounting Hole
    Mini-Key USB Wireless Keyboard PS3-0326
    Griffin Powermate Volume Knob 1100-PWRMTS
    Rooftop GPS/Cellular/PCS/WiFi antenna GPS 2400
    Centrafuse Auto Navigation Edition for North America
    Panasonic Slot Load CW-8124 DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive 24x24x24 Disc Drive
    HQCT 1.0 (High Quality Car Tuner) FM Radio

  • #2
    Well just so you know, centrafuse was made for windows only. so if you plan to go with linux, you are going to need to spend a lot of time with wine or some other emulation software. Just doing a quick google search, I can see that it will be quite a challenge if not impossible.

    However, LinuxICE2, and nghost are supported on linux and, IMHO just as awesome (as well as free). Here is the link to the openice page:

    http://wiki.openice.org/index.php?title=Main_Page


    EDIT: Here's a thread about running Centrafuse in linux.

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    • #3
      That device has no where near the CPU power to run centrafuse....is arm based and therefore not compatible with most of the front ends (will require the linuxice arm-built)...not to mention you have three audio sources with no sound card.

      I would start by doing some more research on what your goals were and then give system selection another shot.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by craig131 View Post
        Well just so you know, centrafuse was made for windows only. so if you plan to go with linux, you are going to need to spend a lot of time with wine or some other emulation software. Just doing a quick google search, I can see that it will be quite a challenge if not impossible.

        However, LinuxICE2, and nghost are supported on linux and, IMHO just as awesome (as well as free). Here is the link to the openice page:

        http://wiki.openice.org/index.php?title=Main_Page


        EDIT: Here's a thread about running Centrafuse in linux.
        No windows software will run on an ARM. Even with wine. Wine is not an emulator, it's more of a compatibility layer. Without an x86 compatible processor, wine will not work.
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        • #5
          I like both of the front ends you mentioned.

          On the Centrafuse website, it says that the newest version works with linux systems.



          http://www.centrafuse.com/Technology.aspx

          justchat_1: There is a sound card listed in my setup description and this new version of Centrafuse is ARM compatible.

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          • #6
            Read Carefully:


            They have the product commercially available for Windows XP and a certain aftermarket manufacturer licensed a windows CE version (not available to the public).

            Your image is just what their technology is "capable of".....which is just marketing BS. Don't count on a Linux version anytime in at least the next year (probably a lot longer if ever).

            Oh...and I looked again-still don't see that sound card.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by justchat_1 View Post
              Read Carefully:


              They have the product commercially available for Windows XP and a certain aftermarket manufacturer licensed a windows CE version (not available to the public).

              Your image is just what their technology is "capable of".....which is just marketing BS. Don't count on a Linux version anytime in at least the next year (probably a lot longer if ever).

              Oh...and I looked again-still don't see that sound card.


              Yes I read that and since Centrafuse 3.0 is not released yet, I assumed that the version available for download and purchase was Centrafuse 2.0 and not compatible with Linux like the image above states. The link I posted was to Centrafuse 3.0 and advertised as being compatible with Linux. I may be wrong but I did read carefully. As for the sound card...


              Originally posted by ChristopherJ
              I plan on using a 7" Lilliput Touch screen (EBY701), with a GuruPlug Display to run all of my goodies (stats are in the link). It ships with Linux on the internal flash memory. The goodies I want to run are Centrafuse (other suggestions welcome) for the front end, GPS software with rooftop antennae, OBDII hardware, reverse camera, wireless keyboard, Griffin Powermate volume knob, DVD drive, tuner for FM radio and a sound card. I'm looking for options to power this beast and Carnetix seems to get the vote for most CarPCs but will it work with the GuruPlug? Below is a list of components I compiled when I was going with a Windows XP base for this. After some experimentation I determined that tinyXP takes too long to start up on my old donor PCs. I'm hoping for a below 30 second startup; ideally 15 seconds.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by justchat_1 View Post
                Your image is just what their technology is "capable of".....which is just marketing BS. Don't count on a Linux version anytime in at least the next year (probably a lot longer if ever).
                Ahh I see what you mean. Marketing gimmick to say This Will Work!with a lot of work...

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                • #9
                  USB sound can be accomplished. If you are new to linux, however, the sheeva plug may be a bit much to handle. I'd say an atom system is the best way to go for you.
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                  • #10
                    OpenICE has a repository for ARM based machines, although not everything is ported over yet.

                    It is more than powerful enough to run nGhost, RevFE and OpenMobile. CF, even if it was built for ARM would still be too slow.

                    The guru plug looks quite awesome with hdmi. I'll have to check it out more. I like the idea of more than one usb port (my plug only has one ).
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kev000 View Post
                      The guru plug looks quite awesome with hdmi. I'll have to check it out more. I like the idea of more than one usb port (my plug only has one ).
                      Seriously. I'm p***ed now since mine doesn't have output to a screen and only 1 usb port. It doesn't look like it's for sale yet though.

                      Damn being an early adopter.
                      My Nearly Complete Car:
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                      Micro Control Center... Control Your Car Across the Internet
                      http://www.mp3car.com/fusion-brain/1...-internet.html

                      Website: (It's a work in progress, really. All my projects have taken me from ever really developing it.)
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                      • #12
                        For what it's worth, I love my plug [*cough* plugcomputer interview] :-D

                        On the plugcomputer forums I've seen a lot of people using usb->vga adapters. Obviously the guruplug with hdmi is awesome, but there's no way in hell I believe they suck 5W [fairly moot since you're looking at a 185W PSU]. I modified one of my plugs to work in my car: http://icculus.org/obdgpslogger/sheevap5v/.

                        Erm. If you're not that familiar with linux, I would note that the plug isn't the most user friendly item in the world.

                        My plug goes from off to powered on and logging in about 15 seconds.

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                        • #13
                          Just bumping this thread in case anyone has wise discussion to add. I'm thinking of ordering one of those new guruplug servers, too. Especially since they throw in a free JTAG module if you do it soon...

                          Gary (-;
                          OBDGPSLogger, for logging OBDII and/or GPS data
                          OBDSim, an OBDII/ELM327 software simulator
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chunkyks View Post
                            Just bumping this thread in case anyone has wise discussion to add. I'm thinking of ordering one of those new guruplug servers, too. Especially since they throw in a free JTAG module if you do it soon...

                            Gary (-;
                            It looks like they're not for sale yet. Also, it appears that the guru plug server version doesn't have hdmi. Make sure you buy the right one.
                            My Nearly Complete Car:
                            http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show...ed-car-pc.html

                            Micro Control Center... Control Your Car Across the Internet
                            http://www.mp3car.com/fusion-brain/1...-internet.html

                            Website: (It's a work in progress, really. All my projects have taken me from ever really developing it.)
                            http://paulfurtado.com/

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for the help. I've pulled an old PC out and starting the CarPC with WinXP rather than Linux for the time being. I still may grab one of the GuruPlugs to play with. It may be easier to setup as a home entertainment hub first, then try the CarPC thing later. I'm sure I'll be back. This Windows CarPC isn't enough of a challenge.

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