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    looks like more than a 5 year old rumor. I have had a 10" touchscreen connected in my 350z to a mac mini, explored some interfaces both hardware and software for the iphone, but this pretty much makes all other efforts fall short:

    http://gizmodo.com/5335942/an-inside...e-apple-tablet

    yep.

    AND with much of the groundwork and hackery already accomplished on the iphone, I sincerely doubt it will take any time at all for this to be dissected completely, hardware and software.

  • #2
    so what. Slates have been around for a long time.

    I have had tablets for quite a few years. And for pretty much anyone, a tablet is more practicle than a slate. I can program on my tablet, take typed notes. Then twist the screen and you can draw, take notes for engineering classes, sign documents, or whatever.

    Judging on the price, it is just going to be a netbook with no keyboard.
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    • #3
      keyboards on netbooks have always sucked anyways. Apple's interface has always set them apart; both in devices and operating systems. Prior to the iphone, was there anything remotely comparable, until all the clones came out?

      I am open minded, I just don't see what could not be accomplished by a device such as this, in the context of being inside a vehicle. Obviously, tasks suck as programming would not be a standard criteria for the average person looking for an interface for their car... then again most people probably wouldn't bother with a computer-like device in their car at all ;-)

      Much of this rests on the actual capabilities of the device, but if one were to assume it had all the functions and more of an iphone, with a larger screen (of course considering all the vast hackery out there)... what would be left?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jungledesign View Post
        keyboards on netbooks have always sucked anyways. Apple's interface has always set them apart; both in devices and operating systems. Prior to the iphone, was there anything remotely comparable, until all the clones came out?
        How about anything that HTC made for the decade before hand? I've had touchscreen smartphones for 8yrs+ now and I was not an early adopter. They work just as well and I would argue better.

        Originally posted by jungledesign View Post
        I am open minded, I just don't see what could not be accomplished by a device such as this, in the context of being inside a vehicle.
        Then why not use one of the Fujitsu slates that already have transflective optically bonded screens that have been around for years? Or if you want a resistive screen any of the slates you can find and many for less than $300...

        Originally posted by jungledesign View Post
        Obviously, tasks suck as programming would not be a standard criteria for the average person looking for an interface for their car... then again most people probably wouldn't bother with a computer-like device in their car at all ;-)
        Apple isnt marketing this to the CarPC community, it is to the general public. There is a reason why nobody really uses slates, they are an akward bridge between what people need/want, that other devices have for the most part already filled better. Well sonic uses them and he uses it for his CarPC too But that is not a vast market lol.

        Originally posted by jungledesign View Post
        Much of this rests on the actual capabilities of the device, but if one were to assume it had all the functions and more of an iphone, with a larger screen (of course considering all the vast hackery out there)... what would be left?
        If it had all the features of the iphone, then it would still be extremely lacking in the feature department. Add that you dont need to hack an x86 device since it runs any OS you want, and basically you have a shiny expensive slate. There is absolutely nothing new or revolutionary about this or the iphone. Only sheep believe that crap.
        Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
        1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
        30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
        15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
        Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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        • #5
          haha well said

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          • #6
            2k1's bias against Macs aside, how about we wait to see whether Apple actually delivers a tablet or slate or whatever it is first? You're linking to a post from last August.

            And 2k1 is right - there are already tablets out there and it is extremely unlikely that Apple will deliver one with more features or one that is more advanced that the ones that are already available.

            Although I am an unabashed Mac fan, the thought of using the iPhone interface in my car makes me shudder. Mainly because people keep posting and saying that it is some kind of grand and glorious nirvana for in car use. Rubbish. It requires the user to look at and concentrate on the interface to operate. It also requires a great deal more hand/eye coordination than it appears because while the gestures are intuitive, you don't notice how much concentration they require.

            I'm interested in Apple's take on the tablet because what they usually deliver is some type of interface and user experience that improves the downsides of a certain class of device. They often reinvent existing technology in an innovative way. But I highly doubt that an Apple tablet will be the replacement for an in car pc.
            Originally posted by ghettocruzer
            I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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            • #7
              heres a more current link for ya-- posted today.
              http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-update2-.html

              my take on this: i used to appreciate apple for taking the different approach on things, but after the way they started locking down the iphone/touch os (i think it is a very micro$oft type move), and if this new device is just going to be another locked down, larger screen itouch, i am not too interested.

              i think that their user interfaces are nicely designed, and are easy to operate, when all of your attention is focused on the device. in a car environment, the buttons on all of their stuff is just too small to easily press without thinking.
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              • #8
                Agreed, but that's really not any different from the way Apple has done business in the past. My experience in anticipating an Apple product is that:

                1. It will cost more than you think it should
                2. It will have fewer features/capabilities than you thought it would
                3. If it is successful, you will not be able to believe people are actually buying it
                4. You will be better off waiting to buy an older one or hold out until the newer one comes along

                Remember, they dropped the price of the iPhone by $200 to get the sales figures they wanted to get. There were a ton of people who paid way more for the iPhone than they needed to.

                I remain solidly in the Apple camp based on my satisfaction with their products and software, but they are far from perfect - particularly for the car.
                Originally posted by ghettocruzer
                I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
                Want to:
                -Find out about the new iBug iPad install?
                -Find out about carPC's in just 5 minutes? View the Car PC 101 video

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                  so what. Slates have been around for a long time.
                  I have had tablets for quite a few years. And for pretty much anyone, a tablet is more practicle than a slate. I can program on my tablet, take typed notes. Then twist the screen and you can draw, take notes for engineering classes, sign documents, or whatever.
                  Not to go off topic but a slate(what I have) is a tablet and so is a "Convertible" slate (what you have). And personally tablet were never meant for the general populace, it was a niche market and always will be. Tablet sales and acceptance suffered miserably from Microsoft mandating hardware requirements for Tablet XP OS, i.e., many manufacturers dropped out rather than cower to Microsoft. And those that stuck around quit R&D for future and existing innovation after the Tablet XP debacle. I was working with two manufacturers on dual input systems (touch and pen) and after the Tablet XP spec was released they both dropped the project cause the spec wouldn't allow for the touch input mode.

                  Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                  Then why not use one of the Fujitsu slates that already have transflective optically bonded screens that have been around for years? Or if you want a resistive screen any of the slates you can find and many for less than $300... There is a reason why nobody really uses slates, they are an akward bridge between what people need/want, that other devices have for the most part already filled better. Well sonic uses them and he uses it for his CarPC too But that is not a vast market lol.
                  I think you might have meant me here.

                  Back on topic, I agree Apple is an innovator and their marketing team is top-notch. So I can't wait to see what twists to the "tablet" genre they have planned. I'm not a MAC fan, but if it will push the Intel-based tablet makers to begin innovating again, I'm all for it! I just hope the marketin side of the company gets the right spin on the tablet niche to broaden more of the general public to accept slates/convertibles as viable alternatives to Netbooks and notebooks. I love mine! - Never leave home without it.

                  The general public's perception is what needs changing. There is nothing I can't do with my slate and when docked, it rivals any desktop and a whole lot more comfortable than typing on a cramp netbook or notebook (my wireless keyboard lets me kick back away from the screen). If the marketing for slates had been more focused on how they are as desktops that you can also take with you, I think the public would have responded more favorably.

                  Unfortunately, the longer Apple makes us wait, the higher the expectations. And expectations are already higher, in my opinion, than they can meet.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GizmoQ View Post
                    Unfortunately, the longer Apple makes us wait, the higher the expectations. And expectations are already higher, in my opinion, than they can meet.
                    that seems to hold true with any new electronic device these days.

                    kind of related-- on the news, they just showed that google unveiled its own android based phone-- maybe this one will give the iphone a run for its money? the way i understand it, some of these newer android based phones are at the very least, hot on apples heels (it depends on who you talk to)...
                    My OLD 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT:
                    "The Project That Never Ended, until it did"


                    next project? subaru brz
                    carpc undecided

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GizmoQ View Post
                      Not to go off topic but a slate(what I have) is a tablet and so is a "Convertible" slate (what you have). And personally tablet were never meant for the general populace, it was a niche market and always will be. Tablet sales and acceptance suffered miserably from Microsoft mandating hardware requirements for Tablet XP OS, i.e., many manufacturers dropped out rather than cower to Microsoft. And those that stuck around quit R&D for future and existing innovation after the Tablet XP debacle. I was working with two manufacturers on dual input systems (touch and pen) and after the Tablet XP spec was released they both dropped the project cause the spec wouldn't allow for the touch input mode.
                      I always heard the distincation made with:

                      slate is screen input only
                      tablet is screen and keyboard that cannot be removed
                      convertible slate is screen and keyboard that can be separated (keyboard "docks" into slate essentially)

                      But that doesnt matter

                      Tablets are definately a niche market, but I think it is growing. Or at least should be. I laugh when I see people trying to take notes in advanced math/physics courses on a regular laptop, ASCII drawing and lining up their integral signs and drawing things that way.

                      I think you might have meant me here.
                      yeah. Had a brain fart!

                      Back on topic, I agree Apple is an innovator and their marketing team is top-notch. So I can't wait to see what twists to the "tablet" genre they have planned. I'm not a MAC fan, but if it will push the Intel-based tablet makers to begin innovating again, I'm all for it! I just hope the marketin side of the company gets the right spin on the tablet niche to broaden more of the general public to accept slates/convertibles as viable alternatives to Netbooks and notebooks. I love mine! - Never leave home without it.

                      The general public's perception is what needs changing. There is nothing I can't do with my slate and when docked, it rivals any desktop and a whole lot more comfortable than typing on a cramp netbook or notebook (my wireless keyboard lets me kick back away from the screen). If the marketing for slates had been more focused on how they are as desktops that you can also take with you, I think the public would have responded more favorably.

                      Unfortunately, the longer Apple makes us wait, the higher the expectations. And expectations are already higher, in my opinion, than they can meet.
                      I would agree that Apple's marketing team is the best I have ever seen. They could market the iTurd and sell a bagillion copies. Geniouses and Jobs needs to hold these people close.
                      Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
                      1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
                      30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
                      15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
                      Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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                      • #12
                        From my experience, even operating an ipod while driving is an experience and a half....spinning your finger on a touch wheel while doing 120km/h down a road makes for some pretty scared passengers.

                        If the slate takes that kind of gesture interface, and makes it more complex, which lets face it, its going to be, then you won't see one anywhere NEAR my car.

                        Dangerous? Hell yes! Anything that takes more than one little stab at a time to use is going to be more than is safe for use while driving.

                        The cops over here will hand out fines and demerit points for using a mobile phone while driving. They will also hand them out for even using a GPS unit if they can see the car is not being driven safely at the time, which is fair enough. Gesture based GUI's are not an ideal for in car use.

                        Bugbyte hit the nail on the head, there is too much concentration needed to use gestures, which is concentration not being used to keep the tonne and a half of steel you are sitting in between the white lines.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by soundman98 View Post
                          that seems to hold true with any new electronic device these days.

                          kind of related-- on the news, they just showed that google unveiled its own android based phone-- maybe this one will give the iphone a run for its money? the way i understand it, some of these newer android based phones are at the very least, hot on apples heels (it depends on who you talk to)...
                          I am sure that HTC is still making Google's phone. Google is just selling it direct unlocked compared to buying it directly unlocked from HTC in Taiwan.

                          And as BB said, I have an anti-Apple bias. However I feel it to be grounded in truth and reasoning, and not just in Apple = bad. I use Apple products, and lots of other manufacturers. I concede that they look great, and for people that prefer form over function, they are hard to beat. If you have used other products though you immediately realize their sever functional defects.
                          Fusion Brain Version 6 Released!
                          1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
                          30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
                          15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
                          Buy now in the MP3Car.com Store

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                          • #14
                            I'm personally really looking forward to snagging a Nexus one when it comes out in Aus, the specs on it hammer the iphone into the ground, and the pricing is much less.

                            The fact that it is built by HTC seals the deal even more, my HTC P3600i is one SOLID phone, with features that were out long before the iphone. Plus, I get more than 9 hours of use out of my HTC, which I would be amazed to see an iphone manage.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                              slate is screen input only
                              tablet is screen and keyboard that cannot be removed
                              convertible slate is screen and keyboard that can be separated (keyboard "docks" into slate essentially)

                              But that doesnt matter

                              Actually it does. Its another reason the general populace doesn't understand why tablets are superior to Netbooks and Notebooks - they're confused, too. And nobody's bothered to try to clear it up. They blew it early, and there was no recovery plan. Maybe the ultimate marketeers from Apple can turn it around.

                              Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                              Tablets are definately a niche market, but I think it is growing. Or at least should be.
                              Not like it should or even enough to drive further marketing or R&D.

                              Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                              I laugh when I see people trying to take notes in advanced math/physics courses on a regular laptop, ASCII drawing and lining up their integral signs and drawing things that way.
                              I agree. In my PhD classes, I bribed the department secretary for the instructors slides and hand write my notes on them during the lectures while all the laptops go clickety clack.

                              Originally posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
                              I would agree that Apple's marketing team is the best I have ever seen. They could market the iTurd and sell a bagillion copies. Geniouses and Jobs needs to hold these people close.
                              HARDWARE: Fujitsu Stylistic ST5111w/WiFi and dock, internal Hitachi 500G HD, external 1TB HD, Sierra Wireless Aircard 550, DVD-RW, BoomzBox HD radio, XM Commander, Delorme GPS, Saitek X-52 Pro joystick, BluSoleil Bluetooth, TPMS, FB, Elm327

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