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    For Christmas my wife bought me a NAVMAN icn630. Except for a few outdated maps, I now know what GPS navigation is supposed to be like. Voice prompts, 3D view, etc. For years I had tinkered around with windows software. Streets, etc. While it was fun, and helped out, it was not practical for everyday use. There are now some good, but not great, software packages out there, but I have not seen one that was as slick as many of the stand-alone units are. The PDA versions seem better than many of the PC packages.

    Although I support about 1000 windows system at work, after my 1998 hardware conversion I am an Apple Macintosh man. It is a shame that no one has developed good GPS software for the Macintosh. Route 66 is something, but I think we can all agree that it is not the package we are all looking for. They would have been great back in 95.

    So where/who do we turn to?
    How do you convince developers that the Mac platform could be profitable. Competition is very light, if any, right now.

    I have seen some great threads about folks porting linux apps to the Mac. This is promising. The only problem I see, is I have not seen software that seemed much better than Route 66 on linux. If I am wrong please point me in that direction. I think linux development is going to be slow because of the mapping data. (expensive) Tomtom might be a good bet because of their linux stuff…but….why make software other than their devices. With their devices they control the mapping data.

    So after this long rant, my question is:

    Has anyone seen any promising developments for a future killer GPS Mac package?
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    There's just not enough of a proved market for such a product. Sure the MAC mini may make a decent carputer, but relativly few people are still going to go through the trouble of doing that, particularly when most of the people installing carputers are WinTel experts and a MAC mini still isn't easy enough to install in a car for the average non-tech person to do. You could target laptops, but the question is why target MAC laptops that make up a very small percentage of available platforms? Even with all the navigation competition you'd still have more of a market targetting windows.

    Considering it takes at least 100k to license good map data for the US, your not going to find any built from scratch software products from small developers.

    The only way I realistically see anyone developing a product like this is if there are substantial and proven numbers of people who have MACs ready to use in thier cars or there is another reason besides carputers for a company to make a realtime Nav for a MAC.
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    • #3
      Great points.

      I do think that companies should look at their products and see if they are suitable for porting. Tomtom might be a good candidate. I do think there could be a market for software for mac laptops, after all Apple is number 5 in market share for laptops. (After IBM) When your only competition is Route 66 I think you could clean up. Starting from scratch and spending the $100K on map data might not be the best business plan though.
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      • #4
        Have you seen this?

        http://www.macgpspro.com/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by modulus
          Have you seen this?

          http://www.macgpspro.com/
          Thats GPS software not navigation software. Doesn't do routing.
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          • #6
            Oh well, all that information is still highly impressive..

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            • #7
              I am a Mac guy by heart as well (saying this as I type on my G4 PB). However, when it comes to as carputer, my priority is not all the multimedia, it is 2 things- GPS, and Tuning. The tuning, I could do without, as I have a dedicated PC laptop for it, however, I will not do without my GPS. That being said, I think my car system, unfortunately will have to be windows.

              As far as GPS software, I like the ideas here of trying to convince companies to port their software over- there is nothing better than getting a little competition. HOWEVER- I think at this point, the most productive route, would be to try to get the developer of Rte 66, to make a usable product. It seems to me that carputers, are starting to really take off- it would be in their best interest to have a good routing software (and they do it for both PC and Mac). I would say contacting them, and convicing them that their software is currently crap, but has a lot of potential (in that it is the only option available for Macs) may be the most productive route.

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              • #8
                who the hell knows why no one but Route 66 (never seen but troll the forums and its a POS apparently) has ever made anything for the mac. all us mac peeple always say to the wintels that macs run everything for windoze whether a different program or the same just ported. I mean i know there are temperature probes that are plug n play for mac, protein folding apps etc etc. and no GPS.

                Why is there a GPS thing that does routing for windoze but not mac, cuz macs only are 2% of the market? But why did they make one for pc at all? make one for mac for the same reasons, they are still there. I hate em i do i do
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                • #9
                  maybe apple will make their own gps program one of these days :P

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                  • #10
                    Here's to wishful thinking

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                    • #11
                      Here's a dumb question that I can't help asking... why, exactly, does Route66 suck so bad?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by god_of_cpu
                        Thats GPS software not navigation software. Doesn't do routing.
                        I had emailed Dr. Lawrence W. James about MacGPS Pro's compatibility with an Ambicom Bluetooth Receiver that goes for $200 at CompUSA.. in our emails back and forth, he says it can import routes from mapsonus.com.

                        I suppose it still won't use voice prompting to tell you where to turn..

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                        • #13
                          Correct. Its either Route 66, macGPS pro, or some linux GPSes. pick between the evils. :-(

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by megapixel
                            Here's a dumb question that I can't help asking... why, exactly, does Route66 suck so bad?
                            My own personal experience with route 66, was that the media couldn't even be installed. The CD-ROM's were corrupt and for about a month or so the package was pull from all Apple Store shelves, until it could be resolved.

                            A couple of other complaints that I have heard, but not verified, is that it really isn't meant to be a routing application. It won't update a route if you make a wrong turn. Accuracy, i.e. marking a route to go down the wrong way on a one way street. Updates from the receiver are now better, but at one time were not as frequent as a true routing application.

                            The big ugly observation from me was that it doesn't give you a "track up" map, but a static north up map. So it isn't as intuitive to a typical end user where they are in relation to the rode.

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                            • #15
                              sorry, i have to butt in here...

                              the phrase is 'flogging a dead horse' not beating it!

                              ....carry on.....

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