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  • wth are there so many frontends?

    I started monitoring this forum a couple weeks ago and It's mind blowing how many frontends are being developed. The question must be asked why?

    For me, I started developing a frontend because none currently exists in completeness under Linux.

    So why are there so many in windows? Not that fragmentation and diversity are a bad thing necessarily, but I'm just wondering: Are the current offerings incomplete? Are they hard to get into and expand? Are they closed source? Are they too big/bulky/slow?

    Or maybe it's just the nature of the community to "Roll-Your-Own"?

    In anyway, I think that competition is a good thing. It just seems to me that everyone runs one of the top three or four, and then everything else falls into the long tail.

    If anyone has any additional insights, please comment.
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    Different strokes for different folks...
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    • #3
      I think you answered your own question...
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      • #4
        Originally posted by NeonDev View Post
        I think you answered your own question...
        I was more after a general consensus. Do people think the current frontends are lacking? And if so, in what areas?
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        • #5
          You've pretty much asked an unanswerable question........

          People aren't making these FE's for business or profit, it's a hobby. Everyone is dabbling around in different stuff because it interests them. They also build thier own FE to learn different techinques or to just plain ol' hack around.

          Much like you are yourself.

          The question you asked is kind of like asking why one person drives a ford, one a chev, one a volkswagon, etc..........

          Simply because they want to.

          I'm not quite sure what else to say................

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          • #6
            I think the reason there are so many front ends is that nobody has developed the definitive "killer" front-end. All the existing front ends have their own limitations, and none of them is "perfect".
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            • #7
              Originally posted by coffeejolts View Post
              I think the reason there are so many front ends is that nobody has developed the definitive "killer" front-end. All the existing front ends have their own limitations, and none of them is "perfect".
              Dunno, RR is pretty close to "killer" if you ask me.

              It's just not for noobs.............ya gotta learn it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by greatwhite View Post
                Dunno, RR is pretty close to "killer" if you ask me.

                It's just not for noobs.............ya gotta learn it.
                Nice contradiction. To be "killer" it has to be easy to use, set up, learn, and still be powerful. RR is is only powerful. It lacks in the other areas terribly. CF and SD both lack the adaptability that RR has, to bad RR isn't noob friendly. I work 12 hours a day, and run a small business, www.shellicam.com. Spending a couple hundred bucks on a front ends is easy, spending 100 hours dabbling in RR is not. My time is more valuable than that. I have already spent 10 hours playing with RR. The demos of the other front ends run flawlessly so far. RR has tons of potential. Just not for people who don't make this their hobby. I prefer to be out in my Jeep, not programming my computer in my Jeep.

                So to answer the initial question, there are a lot of front ends, just like there were a lot of OS's years ago. It seems to be coming down to just a few. CF, SD, RR, are the ones I like. I don't think it will be long before a few of the obscure ones go by the wayside, are bought up, absorbed, etc, then it will be down to just a few. SD has some great drama going on right now. They appear to be going big time, or are being abandoned. No ones talking. What is your Frontend like? do tell. And the reason for so many windows is the vast majority of people like to dabble in unique stuff, but to spend the time necessary to do Linux properly is not worth it to most people. Do the math. I make 35 bucks an hour, If I work one day of overtime, I could by a front end, an OS, and some extra toys and still have enough for lunch. They work virtually flawlessly and I am out far less time than if I tried to get a "free" open source system up and running properly. That extra time is spent scuba diving, jeeping, rock climbing, mtb with my family. If I live with mom and dad, dont have a decent paying job, no wife or kids, then sure it may be worth it to me. lol, just yanking ya a bit.

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                • #9
                  Exactly. I run SD but played with RR for a bit. I needed a solution quick and SD was sufficient for what I needed at the time. If/When I do a rebuild Ill probably go another route. There are many factors considered when choosing a FE: time, cost, features etc.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dittohead View Post
                    Nice contradiction. To be "killer" it has to be easy to use, set up, learn, and still be powerful. RR is is only powerful. It lacks in the other areas terribly. CF and SD both lack the adaptability that RR has, to bad RR isn't noob friendly. I work 12 hours a day, and run a small business, www.shellicam.com. Spending a couple hundred bucks on a front ends is easy, spending 100 hours dabbling in RR is not. My time is more valuable than that. I have already spent 10 hours playing with RR. The demos of the other front ends run flawlessly so far. RR has tons of potential. Just not for people who don't make this their hobby. I prefer to be out in my Jeep, not programming my computer in my Jeep.

                    So to answer the initial question, there are a lot of front ends, just like there were a lot of OS's years ago. It seems to be coming down to just a few. CF, SD, RR, are the ones I like. I don't think it will be long before a few of the obscure ones go by the wayside, are bought up, absorbed, etc, then it will be down to just a few. SD has some great drama going on right now. They appear to be going big time, or are being abandoned. No ones talking. What is your Frontend like? do tell. And the reason for so many windows is the vast majority of people like to dabble in unique stuff, but to spend the time necessary to do Linux properly is not worth it to most people. Do the math. I make 35 bucks an hour, If I work one day of overtime, I could by a front end, an OS, and some extra toys and still have enough for lunch. They work virtually flawlessly and I am out far less time than if I tried to get a "free" open source system up and running properly. That extra time is spent scuba diving, jeeping, rock climbing, mtb with my family. If I live with mom and dad, dont have a decent paying job, no wife or kids, then sure it may be worth it to me. lol, just yanking ya a bit.
                    What a sign of the times:

                    I want it now, I want it to do everything, and I don't want to do any work............

                    I will give you this, "killer" has no proper definition applied to it in this context. So I will agree that RR is powerful, but i doubt it's ever killed anyone.........

                    One more thing- I make a heck of a lot more than 35 bucks an hour and I haven't even stayed overnight in my mom's house for 25 years. My avatar isn't something I just picked up on the net somewhere............
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by greatwhite View Post
                      What a sign of the times:

                      I want it now, I want it to do everything, and I don't want to do any work............

                      I will give you this, "killer" has no proper definition applied to it in this context. So I will agree that RR is powerful, but i doubt it's ever killed anyone.........

                      One more thing- I make a heck of a lot more than 35 bucks an hour and I haven't even stayed overnight in my mom's house for 25 years. My avatar isn't something I just picked up on the net somewhere............
                      hehe, a little touchy. My point was simple. My hobbies are my family, snowboarding, Jeeping, scuba diving, rock climbing, mountain biking, etc... How could I possibly spend even more time on trying to get a front end and Os running that require a lot of time and effort, and why would I when they are both available for a very small amount of money? This would take time away from my family, my business, and my sports. I am taking a small break right now from manufacturing video camera housings. The vast majority of people have other hobbies. If tweaking and playing with OS's and frontends is where you chose to spend your free time, then congrats. Please make a great frontend that is usable for the rest of us. Something that easily installs, easily integrates, is intuitive, etc. Your silly comment "the sign of the times. I want it now!" is pretty lame. Some people may be like that, but most of us here simply consider our time better spent on other endeavors. I admire that you like to use Linux, I do not. I use Windows. I use it for my business, my job uses it, I have 7 computers in my house running on it, and it has done everything I have asked it to do for the ten years I have lived in this house. I have dabbled in Linux, very fun, but way too time consuming. Did you buy your computer components, or did you make them in your garage? Did you buy your car? Did you break out your metal fab tools and your lathe and make it yourself? You must also be one of those "I want it NOW!!!" people.

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                      • #12
                        Linux?

                        I don't use linux...........

                        I have built cars, from the ground up I might add. Full tube frame upto english wheeling the panels. Got another on the rotisserie out in the garage right now.

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                        Actually, I was going to refute pretty much all of your comments, but its just not worth it.
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                        • #13
                          Your comment

                          "What a sign of the times:

                          I want it now, I want it to do everything, and I don't want to do any work............"

                          Sorry, but that just sounds like something some old geezer who is cranky about life would say. I have spent the last three years building my Jeep. It is a hobby. It is fun. But I don't say that somebody who takes their Jeep to a fab shop and pays to have it fixed up is an impatient kid who wants it now. And how do you refute common sense? Nothing in my comments to refute. They were facts. Have fun on your next vehicle, working on them is my relaxation time. I just finished dropping in a new tranny, engine, built my own cage, new PRP seats, etc for my 85 CJ-7. I am no slacker. Because I buy a frontend that is good to go and does not require weeks of tweaking does not make somebody lesser of a person. That is how your comment sounded. If I am wrong, then sorry. If you meant it as sarcasm, or tounge in cheek, then it reads poorly. If you meant it that way, then so be it.

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                          • #14
                            not entertaining your comments anymore.

                            Arguing on the internet is pointless.

                            Good day.
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