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    Hi guys,
    this is my first post on this forum since I am relatively new to this site, but not to CapPC projects.

    I wondered if anyone has thought about building a CarPC software package on a Windows CE.NET platform? I know that a great deal of CarPC's are based on the VIA EPIA Mainboards and those are CE.NET certified.

    This would allow for immediate start/shutdown, and no need for shutdown delays or whatever. This is certainly not a new idea, but I was hoping if someone has carefully considered it yet. I have been doing some PocketPC 2002 programming, and I know that this is doable with the use of the WMA for CE.NET SDK. I have already ordered the CE.NET and CE.NET Automotive emulation kits and am really working forward to experiment with this.

    It will probably require somewhat more work than a regular PC project, but could prove to be very rewarding in features and ease of use.
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    Instant startup/down sounds cool...Bring it on.
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    • #3
      yeah no kidding my question is where do i download it from lol
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      • #4
        Now wait... I haven't started it yet.

        But I hope to have something in a month or two, should I decide to go ahead with it. I would also like to help with Media Engine, since I am guessing not a lot of people will be ready to use a "embedded" type of device, dedicated to run CE.NET only.

        There are also compatibility issues. As I see it now, this solution might require a some sort of bootable memory chip device on board, such as a small DOC [disk-on-chip] or perhaps a CF card?

        And there still is the cost of licensing Windows CE.NET. I admit, this kind of a solution might sound better to device manufacturers than to your average DIY user.

        Will explore further and keep you posted.
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        • #5
          In addition to my previous posts about CE.NET, here are a couple of pictures from mini-itx.com they took at this years CEBIT.

          These represent a CarPC, i.e. the Atio Car PC. I believe it is a Double DIN sized device based on the VIA Eden platform, powered by Windows CE.







          Please have in mind this is a factory manufactured device. I am hoping to find some shots of the software interface.
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          • #6
            hmm that mini-itx factory double din doohicky in my opinion looks fugly not to mention thats a huge double din it would never fit in my s-10 with out sticking out alot
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            • #7
              It was just an example of a possible CE solution. Further more, it represents the only factory designed DIN [doubleDIN] CarPC that is truly feature reach and intended for in dash integration.

              I am sure there are ways of creating a better-fit solution.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by INSIDES
                In addition to my previous posts about CE.NET, here are a couple of pictures from mini-itx.com they took at this years CEBIT.

                These represent a CarPC, i.e. the Atio Car PC. I believe it is a Double DIN sized device based on the VIA Eden platform, powered by Windows CE.

                Please have in mind this is a factory manufactured device. I am hoping to find some shots of the software interface.

                Very cool. Do you know anything more about this company ? I have had a quick look on the web and got no where fast.

                Thanks

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                • #9
                  WinCE is a very limiting OS. It was made for pda's. Linux has been out longer than CE. You would have to code most program that you need yourself (including drivers) Video player are limited and does not look nice (can't even imagine DVD's) True, for your basic CarPC its more than enought to handle most task, ie. mp3, GPS, internet, text based apps etc.. But if you are going to spend all the time building the pc and installing it, why limit what you can do with it.

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                  • #10
                    Why, my friend, I beg to differ.

                    WinCE is an embedded OS, meaning it was designed for mission specific uses. I am guessing CarPC's are mission specific devices. And then, this is just a topic on a forum. I am not suggesting that people should transfer to CE.NET. Most of them never will.

                    However, I am guessing there is something valuable in CE.NET, since a lot of car manufacturers have accepted it as a de facto standard [Windows Automotive]. The beauty of CE.NET is the seamless integration with devices, immediate start/shutdown and fast opration.

                    And then, with most motherboards, you could use a double-boot having both CE.NET and another operating system of your choice. CE.NET can reside on a DOC [disk-on-chip] or a CF card. Whenever you need a "more powerfull and unlimiting OS" you can switch to that other OS. I have read over at VIA's that this is doable with the EPIA motherboards.

                    Nevertheless, CE.NET will probably be the first choice to device integrators and not home-brewed CarPC's. I am aware of this, but I just wanted to see what you all think about this.
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                    • #11
                      Yes that is what I meant by limited. It is, as you said, "mission specific" so it is limited to that project, where as full blown windows is more general. It was design for small, low power hardware as well. Not saying CE is a bad OS, just limited for my needs. I've programed small apps in CE for my pda, and found it pretty plain. Function wise it was great, but was lacking on looks (then again I was limited to storage size as well)

                      I guess car makers are choosing CE is because Microsoft is pushing it, what other companies got enough resources to go against Microsoft?

                      CE does has great features, but it is from Microsoft after all, and it is prone to freeze from time to time (my pda does that often) Its an alternative, but it is still developing to be a more stable, faster OS.

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                      • #12
                        Well... once more, you could use a double-boot setup, should you require a full-blown Windows version.

                        CE.NET features way more power and features that any CE system so far. And then, CE will mostly be used by car manufacturers as I mentioned earlier.

                        I am still waiting for the eval kit from Microsoft. Hopefully, I will be able to post some pictures in the near future and we can discuss on them.
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                        • #13
                          im all for this
                          sounds awesome to me

                          might be able to snag whatever software that company above is using (thats all we really need). Once we get software we can load it on our own
                          some custom stuff would be nice though

                          i have no clue on how to program into ce

                          someone learn and fast

                          i didnt know ce was compatible with the x86 architecture
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                          • #14
                            Having done some research,
                            I found that Windows XP Embedded could probably be a better solution.

                            This is the deal: Embedded XP has the ability of instant start/shutdown same as CE.NET, BUT supports native Win32 applications, such as Media Engine, meaning no reprogramming would be required.

                            The only problem is that Microsoft does not sell single-user licences for Windows XP Embedded. We need to find a workaround for this.
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                            • #15
                              hmm
                              ill definitely look into embedded
                              im VERY interested in instant on off but dont want to worry about power consumption while in standby

                              does embedded or ce still utulize acpi functions so it can be used with startup shutdown controllers?
                              also, what would be the hardware support for something like this? id assume some stuff wouldnt work under the os


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                              Because Windows XP Embedded is the componentized version of the desktop operating system, embedded devices now have unparalleled out-of-box support for the broadest range of peripherals, as well as granular power management capabilities and support for the latest standards such as USB, IEEE1394, Plug and Play, UPnP, and UDF 2.01. Additionally, Windows XP Embedded provides over 9,000 device driver components to help you rapidly build in support for a broad range of hardware and devices into your customized Windows XP Embedded-based design.

                              All hardware device drivers found in Windows XP are also present in Windows XP Embedded, therefore all drivers and hardware that works with Windows XP Professional will work with Windows XP Embedded. Windows XP Embedded includes Design Templates for Analog and Digital Video set-top boxes, which encapsulate the technologies needed to enable these features all technologies listed in this paper are supported by Windows XP Embedded:
                              stright off the ms site
                              embedded looks damn nice
                              now.....where to get it
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