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    Hi guys.

    I'm just wondering which OS would be best for cheap CAR Pcs based on ARM processors 400-533MHZ with 128M flash ram.

    All of them now runs under Win CE OS (5.0 or 6.0) but due to popularity boost of Android and Android Market may be it would be nice idea to port it on such devices. I have read discuission on forum about BAD sides of Android for car devices, but X86 devices were discuissed which are more expensive and powerful, but less expensive devices such as based on ARM processors could benefit from using OS like Android or MeeGo.

    What do you think?

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    Originally posted by kadett75 View Post
    Hi guys.

    I'm just wondering which OS would be best for cheap CAR Pcs based on ARM processors 400-533MHZ with 128M flash ram.

    All of them now runs under Win CE OS (5.0 or 6.0) but due to popularity boost of Android and Android Market may be it would be nice idea to port it on such devices. I have read discuission on forum about BAD sides of Android for car devices, but X86 devices were discuissed which are more expensive and powerful, but less expensive devices such as based on ARM processors could benefit from using OS like Android or MeeGo.

    What do you think?
    you won't have access to the android market unless you or someone else does a deal with google to get it. You'll have to decide if that is or isn't a deal breaker for android. Also, can you share more details about your device. Android isn't going to run very fast on a 400-533MHz system. Does it have accelerated graphics? If it doesn't, you may want to try meego-ivi on it since it's super light and doesn't require any opengl support.

    I personally am in the process of getting meego handset to run on my igepv2 board which is 720MHz and has gpu accel and 512mb of ram. Other's have gotten meego running on beagleboards with only 256mb but they needed to enable swap.
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    • #3
      Fwiw, android market will not run on non networked devices (eg anything but a cell phone).

      To be honest, at this point I would just use a stock Linux distro, or linuxice over any of those other options due to the number of applications out there prebuilt and ready to go.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by tripzero View Post
        you won't have access to the android market unless you or someone else does a deal with google to get it. You'll have to decide if that is or isn't a deal breaker for android. Also, can you share more details about your device. Android isn't going to run very fast on a 400-533MHz system. Does it have accelerated graphics? If it doesn't, you may want to try meego-ivi on it since it's super light and doesn't require any opengl support.

        I personally am in the process of getting meego handset to run on my igepv2 board which is 720MHz and has gpu accel and 512mb of ram. Other's have gotten meego running on beagleboards with only 256mb but they needed to enable swap.
        regarding your insufficient speed - Motorolla droid is run on ArmŽ Cortex™ A8 processor 550 mHz...
        Device is based on Samsung ARM processor (533 MHZ) and has 128MB FLASH RAM. I don't know if it has GPU, I'll check and tell you. I heard that MeeGo is not going to gain such popularity as Android, and has no API like Google develop (like voice recognition API). Thats the main points to choose Android as OS for that device. Bad side that Androis is not intended for using as not mobile device, so many of market soft wont work...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by malcom2073 View Post
          Fwiw, android market will not run on non networked devices (eg anything but a cell phone).

          To be honest, at this point I would just use a stock Linux distro, or linuxice over any of those other options due to the number of applications out there prebuilt and ready to go.
          I agree with you, but networking is possible. using a linux you wont get Android software, right?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kadett75 View Post
            I agree with you, but networking is possible. using a linux you wont get Android software, right?
            By networking, I mean working out a deal with google like Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint have. I'm not sure you have that kind of money :P
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            • #7
              Originally posted by malcom2073 View Post
              By networking, I mean working out a deal with google like Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint have. I'm not sure you have that kind of money :P
              can you describe what deal are you talking about more specific please?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tripzero View Post
                you won't have access to the android market unless you or someone else does a deal with google to get it.
                Originally posted by malcom2073 View Post
                Fwiw, android market will not run on non networked devices (eg anything but a cell phone).
                Incorrect. The market can be fixed to work on any device that has internet access. This information is freely available all over the interwebs.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tidder View Post
                  Incorrect. The market can be fixed to work on any device that has internet access. This information is freely available all over the interwebs.


                  Not that I doubt you... but Source? That would be useful information to have
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by malcom2073 View Post
                      Not that I doubt you... but Source? That would be useful information to have
                      well I think Tidder is right because there are a lot of 'not networked' devices on the market running under Android OS (Tablet pcs with Wi-Fi and no 3G).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kadett75 View Post
                        regarding your insufficient speed - Motorolla droid is run on ArmŽ Cortex™ A8 processor 550 mHz...
                        Yes, it was an underclocked omap 3430 with 256mb of ram. I used it, I didn't think it was very snappy. Other's concurred with the lack of snappiness which usually ended with them overclocking or buying the faster droids when they were released. My brother for example has gone from the droid to the incredible and now the galaxy in less than a year. Froyo helped with the jit compiler which increased some performance by almost 400%. In my experience, if you can improve performance by 400%, that usually means you did something very wrong the first time.

                        As for meego not being as popular as android... well, no one can really tell for sure at this point. MeeGo is more akin to standard Linux than android is which make it appealing to developers who are already familiar with various Linux development. In other words, you have more choice as a developer. You can install the meego sdk, or you can develop and run meego apps on your normal Linux desktop. The APIs for MeeGo are Qt, which IMHO are just as nice as anything in java or android.

                        Time will tell whether meego will be the awesome. Android really didn't become very popular until some time after the first device (the G1) hit the market.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tripzero View Post
                          As for meego not being as popular as android... well, no one can really tell for sure at this point. MeeGo is more akin to standard Linux than android is which make it appealing to developers who are already familiar with various Linux development. In other words, you have more choice as a developer. You can install the meego sdk, or you can develop and run meego apps on your normal Linux desktop. The APIs for MeeGo are Qt, which IMHO are just as nice as anything in java or android.

                          Time will tell whether meego will be the awesome. Android really didn't become very popular until some time after the first device (the G1) hit the market.
                          I'm not agree with your opinion because at the moment Android Market is the fastest growing mobile apps market. Second is Google who stands behind Android and will update android OS.
                          Third is that MeeGo has less APIs for developers, as Android has (for instance speech recognition). My opinion is that Android has more good sides than bad ones for cheap Car PCs based on ARM processors. Anyway I have not seen Meego at work, only few videos on youtube. And Megoo is for Atom processors, which are more expensive compared to ARM processors. Thats my opinion, i'm not pretending on truth

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kadett75 View Post
                            I'm not agree with your opinion because at the moment Android Market is the fastest growing mobile apps market. Second is Google who stands behind Android and will update android OS.
                            Third is that MeeGo has less APIs for developers, as Android has (for instance speech recognition). My opinion is that Android has more good sides than bad ones for cheap Car PCs based on ARM processors. Anyway I have not seen Meego at work, only few videos on youtube. And Megoo is for Atom processors, which are more expensive compared to ARM processors. Thats my opinion, i'm not pretending on truth
                            Yes, Google updates and owns Android. MeeGo is run by the Linux Foundation which is a non-profit organization. Right now there are two big companies developing and updating MeeGo (Intel and Nokia). Some people postulate that Nokia (who btw pwns Google in global smartphone sales) is betting the farm on MeeGo.

                            IIRC, speech recognition is one of those things like the market that you need a licensed android device to have. MeeGo runs on ARM and x86. Like I said, I have it running on my igepv2 which is an ARM OMAP3 device. It also runs on the n900, beagleboard, nexus one, htc desire, and several other non-x86 devices.

                            I completely agree with you that MeeGo is not as popular as Android is today. What I meant is that you can't really say whether or not MeeGo will ever be as popular. But again, if the android market is what you want, you will want a licensed and Google-blessed device. You can't just load up android on any old device and have all that functionality without breaking Google's TOS/EULA.

                            My suggestion would be to try both on your device, and pick the one that works best and has the features you want.
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