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  • Windows 8 - Problems,Solutions, Tips & Tricks.

    I have been testing Windows 8 in my CarPC and it looks like it has some serious potential, it pretty much removes the need for a frontend.
    However I have found that it needs a little tweaking and work to adapt it to the carpc environment.

    I will post here the problems i have and how to solve them, if possible.
    If someone posts a solution for some problem in this thread i will update this first post to reflect it.

    Maybe we can all make this thread a useful resource for people wishing to migrate to windows 8.




    EGalax Touch Screen behaves like a Mouse instead of a touch panel
    I have this problem with my screen it's a 7" transflective from cartft.com, it uses an egalax touchscreen.
    when the touch panel behaves like a mouse you can't swipe the tiles on the start screen, and when you touch on a text input the touch keyboard does not comes out automatically, and so on...
    I have found a solution for windows 8 32 bit only, you have to install this drivers:
    ftp://support.archos.com/Archos%209/...00115_Beta.zip

    For 64 bits there is no solution AFAIK.

  • #2
    I am thinking of following the very same path.
    My front end of choice, centrafuse, hogs RAM.
    I have 4Gb of ram my carpC and when centrafuse is running a I get poor performance from my onboard cameras.


    Anyway is the Win 8 interface for touch skinnable?
    2002 Chevrolet Avalanche
    Gigabyte Z97 mITX Intel Mobo, 8GB RAM, Intel Core i5-4590S 3.0GHz Proc, 320 GB Hard Drive, Dual 12' VGA HDMI DVI touchscreen monitors,....
    http://www.mp3car.com/show-off-your-...avalanche.html

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dluvr22 View Post
      I am thinking of following the very same path.
      My front end of choice, centrafuse, hogs RAM.
      I have 4Gb of ram my carpC and when centrafuse is running a I get poor performance from my onboard cameras.


      Anyway is the Win 8 interface for touch skinnable?
      The current version of Centrafuse, running on Windows 8, uses less than 80mb of RAM while playing Pandora. For comparison, IE uses about 250mb of ram. Generally speaking (but not always), the more third-party apps you have loaded, the more ram you'll use.

      You can of course select different themes for the desktop background, window borders, fonts and such, but you can't control what the tiles look like, or what the application interfaces look (and work like). This is where things start to fall apart with using Win8 as a frontend replacement. Suppose, for a moment, that you're listening to music or maybe the TuneIn Radio app. You switch to another app (the Inrix traffic app for instance) while music continues to play. All good so far.

      Now you get a phone call. You have to swipe to change apps, then pause the playback, since there probably isn't an readily available mute button anywhere. All of this is pretty straight forward on a nice new tablet in your lap. Now try it on a 7" resistive touchscreen at arm's length while driving. Not so much fun.

      In fact, I think most folks will find most Windows 8 gestures unusable with their typical 7" Lilliput monitors, unless they have a mouse attached. It's almost impossible to get your fingers into the right locations, and swipe behaviors are not accepted by the standard touchscreen drivers. It really is kind of a mess.

      Now before anyone thinks I'm Mr. Negativity, I've been running Centrafuse and Windows 8 for months now. I love how fast it boots, how fast CF runs on it, and having access to some of the Metro apps. The major obstacle is the touchscreen. I have a daylight-readable and I love it, especially out here in Vegas with all the glare. But it is not well suited (nor would any 7" screen) for use with Win8. You really need the 10.1, preferably running at 1366x768 to make use of side-by-side Win8 apps.

      The short: It's not a frontend replacement by any means, but it DOES offer a lot of nice performance improvements and the opportunity to access a growing number of useful apps in the Win8 Market.

      Cheers!

      VegasGuy

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      • #4
        I just got the Surface. Looks promising to replace my 8.9" Tab. Will see.

        What I like most so far: how easy it is to split screen apps. Any size. Very cool, not found any where else. You can always have say, NAV and Music on at all times. Not sure what nav I'd use on it though, bing? Still exploring the thing, but:

        1. FULL USB compatibility (unlike android, you could hook up a 3TB drive here, or a printer, a microphone, whatever.)

        2. The screen is beautiful, gesture response and precision is amazing (compared to, say, Windows 8 running on my two-point touch Dell 22"screen).

        3. It already has up and running 64GB micro SD card in it.

        4. HDMI for the reas screen ready, no dongle.

        Another cool feature for in car use is the fact that power is separate from USB and HDMI. What I hate on Android and iOS is the fact that you need dongles for those, and in my Android, you can't use USB AND charge the tablet at the same time in the car...
        Worklogs: 08 Sequoia Platinum Carputer (In Progress!)
        Skin: MetroSex on the Beach preview

        07 Infiniti Fx35 (done!) & 06 Infiniti M35 (gone...)

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        • #5
          Hey Rip, good to see you back on here, it's been a while, don't be a stranger!!
          My 2007 Ford F350 Work Log located HERE

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          • #6
            I know, thanks for the warm welcome!

            It's been a while, just lurking here and there. Kids are growing, getting busier and busier, also spent some time abroad. I'm really disappointed with my carputer in the FX, I'd like to salvage something without ripping it all off, but we'll see.
            Worklogs: 08 Sequoia Platinum Carputer (In Progress!)
            Skin: MetroSex on the Beach preview

            07 Infiniti Fx35 (done!) & 06 Infiniti M35 (gone...)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by VegasGuy View Post
              The current version of Centrafuse, running on Windows 8, uses less than 80mb of RAM while playing Pandora. For comparison, IE uses about 250mb of ram. Generally speaking (but not always), the more third-party apps you have loaded, the more ram you'll use.

              You can of course select different themes for the desktop background, window borders, fonts and such, but you can't control what the tiles look like, or what the application interfaces look (and work like). This is where things start to fall apart with using Win8 as a frontend replacement. Suppose, for a moment, that you're listening to music or maybe the TuneIn Radio app. You switch to another app (the Inrix traffic app for instance) while music continues to play. All good so far.

              Now you get a phone call. You have to swipe to change apps, then pause the playback, since there probably isn't an readily available mute button anywhere. All of this is pretty straight forward on a nice new tablet in your lap. Now try it on a 7" resistive touchscreen at arm's length while driving. Not so much fun.

              In fact, I think most folks will find most Windows 8 gestures unusable with their typical 7" Lilliput monitors, unless they have a mouse attached. It's almost impossible to get your fingers into the right locations, and swipe behaviors are not accepted by the standard touchscreen drivers. It really is kind of a mess.

              Now before anyone thinks I'm Mr. Negativity, I've been running Centrafuse and Windows 8 for months now. I love how fast it boots, how fast CF runs on it, and having access to some of the Metro apps. The major obstacle is the touchscreen. I have a daylight-readable and I love it, especially out here in Vegas with all the glare. But it is not well suited (nor would any 7" screen) for use with Win8. You really need the 10.1, preferably running at 1366x768 to make use of side-by-side Win8 apps.

              The short: It's not a frontend replacement by any means, but it DOES offer a lot of nice performance improvements and the opportunity to access a growing number of useful apps in the Win8 Market.

              Cheers!

              VegasGuy
              It seems like everything you have mentioned is a consideration for how Windows 8 won't just be "plug and play" as a front end replacement, but I don't see anything insurmountable. You could still use separate USB input devices to give yourself a few buttons or knobs that would supplement the touch features. The mute button is a good example. I would be pretty happy with having a USB volume knob and have pressing in mute the media app. That seems like it would be pretty simple to set up.

              Also stuff like a bit more visual customization isn't readily available now, but how hard will it be for a couple of the savvy programmers that work with car PC setups to make slight alterations like that?

              I will agree that I doubt I would go this route without a better touchscreen than the typical 7" that a lot of people have. I'm considering how hard it would be to modify my dash to fit the bigger screen, because this route definitely appeals to me.
              Computer is in the car, but in a very "raw" install right now.

              Worklog - here

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              • #8
                I have the same issue with resistive touchkit driver as well, anyone has a solution?

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                • #9
                  I don't see how Windows 8 can possibly replace a proper front end designed for an automotive environment.

                  I'm not bashing Windows 8, but I don't think it's fit for a front end. Sure, use it as the OS and have CF/whatever front end start on boot but that's it. I don't want to swipe between applications, I want media controls to be persistent regardless of what other application is embedded and active, such as iGuidance. Having music mute when a call comes in, having the music volume turn down when iGuidance gives a spoken direction, etc...

                  Windows 8/Metro doesn't do this. A front end does (well, in theory, I'm still waiting for something to work properly )

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sebberry View Post
                    I don't see how Windows 8 can possibly replace a proper front end designed for an automotive environment.

                    I'm not bashing Windows 8, but I don't think it's fit for a front end. Sure, use it as the OS and have CF/whatever front end start on boot but that's it. I don't want to swipe between applications, I want media controls to be persistent regardless of what other application is embedded and active, such as iGuidance. Having music mute when a call comes in, having the music volume turn down when iGuidance gives a spoken direction, etc...

                    Windows 8/Metro doesn't do this. A front end does (well, in theory, I'm still waiting for something to work properly )
                    The OS is only a few weeks old, give it some time and i'm sure it'll get there. The new platform is designed for touch apps, and it'll help bring out a lot more carpc friendly apps soon.
                    But resistive single touch is very limited, you'll need capacitive screen to really make it functional.

                    Originally posted by Punky View Post
                    I have the same issue with resistive touchkit driver as well, anyone has a solution?
                    Found a solution using this driver: http://187.53.197.240:8080/Bibliotec...2.0.0.0525.zip
                    Need to recalibrate, but it worked great after.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Punky View Post
                      The OS is only a few weeks old, give it some time and i'm sure it'll get there. The new platform is designed for touch apps, and it'll help bring out a lot more carpc friendly apps soon.
                      But resistive single touch is very limited, you'll need capacitive screen to really make it functional.
                      I disagree. Windows 8 is a tablet OS, not a car OS. While there may be some overall performance benefits, I don't see how the "Start page" makes it any more friendly for a car environment. In the car, you absolutely need a front-end that gives you access to a variety of information and functions, and you need those applications to have a consistent look, feel and button placement. The only way to achieve this is with a properly skinned front-end like RR or CF (and others).

                      While the start page lets you swipe an app to the side and have a small version of it running, the operator might be dealing with several media players. For example, you might have Sirius, digital radio, local AM/FM radio and an MP3 player. Using Windows 8's Metro Start page, you'd have different apps for all of these functions. While this is also true for using a front end, a front end provides skin consistency, control placement consistency and better integration of these applications.

                      Controls for station tuning, media skipping and volume need to always be placed in the same location on the screen. I can almost guarantee you that even if MP3 car themselves set out guidelines for the placement of such buttons the developers would stick them wherever they wanted.

                      When you want to access these applications you need to return to the start page, close the currently running one, find and launch the new one, swipe it off to the side to run in a smaller mode then re-launch your navigation app. It's a mess.

                      There's nothing wrong with this approach for tablet computers, but in a car where you have to worry about driving into things it is absolutely critical that you minimize the number of user inputs needed and complexity of operating the interface.

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                      • #12


                        I always boot directly into RR and skin of choice, not the desktop.

                        I never see the desktop in W7 or XP, and when I do get W8 I also will be booting directly into RR. Nothing will change there.

                        I don't need "Metro", which IMHO is butt ugly compared to a bunch of well design and thought out skins made for RR.

                        And as for performance with W8,....... I guess I'll see when I get my copy.

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                        • #13
                          Hopefully this isn't revival of a dead thread but I just finished installing a Win8Pro setup in my car. I'll post up build and test results + notes if anyone is interested.

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                          • #14
                            I've been running Windows 8 pro myself for a bit now.
                            I have not really done anything tweaking or testing as I am more focused on finally getting a 12 inch monitor in my dash.
                            My initial impressions is that it works though I wish I could use the 64 bit version to take full advantage of the 8GB of RAM that my motherboard supports.

                            One major plus for be is the extremely fast wake up times I now have since installing Windows 8. I no longer have to wait to start playing music etc.
                            It is almost instantaneous.
                            Last edited by Dluvr22; 12-05-2012, 10:29 AM.
                            2002 Chevrolet Avalanche
                            Gigabyte Z97 mITX Intel Mobo, 8GB RAM, Intel Core i5-4590S 3.0GHz Proc, 320 GB Hard Drive, Dual 12' VGA HDMI DVI touchscreen monitors,....
                            http://www.mp3car.com/show-off-your-...avalanche.html

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                            • #15
                              I am currently in the process of building a capacitive 7" screen based CAR PC with centrafuse and possibly WIN 8 if I can get everything to work correctly.

                              It looks like what we may need is the equivalent of Windows running on Centrafuse. I know it sounds dodgy at first, but hear me out.

                              1) Centrafuse with fixed position non-swipe based UI is the default to load.
                              2) When users want to access the Start screen function, they can do so with a fixed soft-button on the centrafuse UI, but the entire operation is windowd inside a Centrafuse shell.
                              3) user then launches desired application from this start screen.
                              4) User has option to return to the main centrafuse screen always.

                              OR

                              1) Centrafuse with fixed position non-swipe based UI is the default to load.
                              2) When users want to access the Start screen function, they can do so with a fixed soft-button on the Centrafuse UI
                              3) user then launches desired application from this start screen.
                              4) User has option to return to the main Centrafuse screen always using a hard USB button, like a mute or volume knob solution that puts the screen back on to the Centrafuse screen.


                              I guess, if we can make the Centrafuse application act like an android phone where a physical "home" button is always programmed to take us back to a minimized Centrafuse application and OS access is provided through a soft button, we may have a handy solution.

                              Now I am not at all familiar with the capabilities and features of Centrafuse as this is my first CAR-PC build and I have not even played with it yet, but I am hoping a solution like this would be possible.

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