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  • Windows 7 vs Windows 8 for new Carpc

    So I'm just about ready to start putting the final pieces of my first setup into a car and am at a crossroads.

    I'm loving some of the stuff I'm seeing with people playing with Windows 8, but am not ready to jump head first into relying on it as my front end or spend the cash on the 10.1 multi-touch screen just yet.

    So lets say I end up using RR or one of the other options, is there any significant reason not to get Windows 8? The cost for both options new is the same, and for the sake of the future I'd like to not have to waste the money on an upgrade if I don't need to.

    So what do you guys think?
    Last edited by FockMasterDan; 11-19-2012, 03:45 AM.
    Computer is in the car, but in a very "raw" install right now.

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  • #2
    you wont HAVE to upgrade your car PC to win8. Win7 will be viable for far longer than your hardware. As i understand it, win8 will cold boot faster, so if that's important to you then it might be worth it.

    In my vehicle i'll stick with 7. .Net remains supported, 7 is "service pack stable", meaning they're not going to do anything radically different with the interface like i've heard rumors with in 8. Another reason i'll stick with 7 is because car PC hardware isn't ready for half of what 8 delivers. The metro interface is crippled without a multi-touch screen, and unless you're using the surface acoustic Lilliput, that's what you're currently stuck with.
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    • #3
      I have windows 8 32 bit, and simply HATE it! You have to have a minimum resolution of 1024 x 768 to run their apps, which is hard to see on a 7" screen. Drivers are almost non-existant, so make sure there are drivers for every subsystem first, instead of the hearsay that manufacturers post.

      Example of their typical stunt:
      They advertise they have motherboard drivers supporting Windows 8.
      But after you purchase and install, you discover the onboard graphics is not supported, rendering your ability to change screen resolution to few choices, and your windows experience level gets chopped to "1"

      You also discover that your combo dual wifi with bluetooth 4 actually only supports the wifi part and bluetooth is not supported, costing you another precious usb port for another supported BT module.

      Then you have to deal with the microsoft store for everything, just like you do with un-rooted phones.

      Summary, it generally sucks! Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

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      • #4
        My thought on this would be to get the win7 version and then on black friday sales get the win 8 upgrade for cheap. Win 8 is a steep learning curve to get it to do what is needed for the car pc. But time will solve that and then you can upgrade to win 8. But my best advise to you would be to spend alittle more and get yourself a technet subscription and have access to all flavors of microsoft products. You get usually 3 keys with each product. Best 300.00 bucks I have ever spent. SNO

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        • #5
          Win8 is only 40-50 bucks as an upgrade, and metro can be ignored if you install start8 by stardock for 7 bucks. I have had no driver issues. The resolution issue is valid but I am happy with how my screen looks on an 8" lilliput. I would not start with Win7 at this point if you are starting fresh. I'm not saying 7 is not a good choice, just that for 40 bucks, I'm happy with 8.
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          • #6
            I'd second what PhilG says. Win8 is completely stable, Everything you can do in 7, you can do in 8 plus you get market access, which may be of benefit (depends on how you choose to use your system). And fact is, it's cheaper than a licensed version of 7. I really haven't found multi-touch to be much of a factor. Metro is certainly "useable" without it, but it would be nice to have, for sure.

            Just depends on what you enjoy about your carPC. If part of the attraction is expanding possibilities (and you're not a Penguin fancier), then Win8 is the only rational choice, since it represents the current and future Microsoft environment. There are and will be challenges to overcome, but that's kind of the point. On the other hand, if that's not what you enjoy, and prefer the comfort of the status quo, then Win7 (or even staying on XP) might be a better choice.

            I'm obviously a Centrafuse guy, and CF can be the "gray flannel suit" of carPC frontends. A little staid, and maybe even boring for some folks. But I use it every day on Win8, back and forth to work, and it just works. No drama, no fuss, no muss. I get all the features and apps that CF provides AND I get access to anything I find interesting in Metro. Stuck waiting for the wife at the store? Netflix works GREAT in Metro. Hulu+, Angry Birds Star Wars...all there. Check my bank account? No problem. Are they integrated in the front end? No. Are they completely usable with a standard touchscreen? YES. And that's the point. They aren't a replacement for a carPC frontend, CF and RR are much better suited for use by the driver while the car is in motion. But unlike standard windows desktop apps (as you would typically find in Windows 7), every single Metro app is designed for use on a touchscreen, which makes it usable in your car. And having a little BT or RF keyboard in the car makes it even easier to use Win8. Not an absolute requirement, but a definite "nice to have."

            So that's the pitch. The times they are a'changin. My bet is 6 months to a year from now, no one will think twice about making the move.

            VegasGuy

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            • #8
              Originally posted by VegasGuy View Post
              I'd second what PhilG says. Win8 is completely stable, Everything you can do in 7, you can do in 8 plus you get market access, which may be of benefit (depends on how you choose to use your system). And fact is, it's cheaper than a licensed version of 7. I really haven't found multi-touch to be much of a factor. Metro is certainly "useable" without it, but it would be nice to have, for sure.

              Just depends on what you enjoy about your carPC. If part of the attraction is expanding possibilities (and you're not a Penguin fancier), then Win8 is the only rational choice, since it represents the current and future Microsoft environment. There are and will be challenges to overcome, but that's kind of the point. On the other hand, if that's not what you enjoy, and prefer the comfort of the status quo, then Win7 (or even staying on XP) might be a better choice.

              I'm obviously a Centrafuse guy, and CF can be the "gray flannel suit" of carPC frontends. A little staid, and maybe even boring for some folks. But I use it every day on Win8, back and forth to work, and it just works. No drama, no fuss, no muss. I get all the features and apps that CF provides AND I get access to anything I find interesting in Metro. Stuck waiting for the wife at the store? Netflix works GREAT in Metro. Hulu+, Angry Birds Star Wars...all there. Check my bank account? No problem. Are they integrated in the front end? No. Are they completely usable with a standard touchscreen? YES. And that's the point. They aren't a replacement for a carPC frontend, CF and RR are much better suited for use by the driver while the car is in motion. But unlike standard windows desktop apps (as you would typically find in Windows 7), every single Metro app is designed for use on a touchscreen, which makes it usable in your car. And having a little BT or RF keyboard in the car makes it even easier to use Win8. Not an absolute requirement, but a definite "nice to have."

              So that's the pitch. The times they are a'changin. My bet is 6 months to a year from now, no one will think twice about making the move.

              VegasGuy
              Originally posted by Enforcer View Post
              Or get Win 7 now and get a win 8 upgrade later and dual boot.


              That's how my new test/development laptop is set up.





              Multiboot FTW.
              Thanks everyone. I got both sides of the issue fast and with positions well explained. This forum is the best.

              I do want really fast cold boot times, and I would like to be toying with the next generation OS going into the future. I don't expect the carPC to actually take over running the car for about 6 months at the rate I get things done, but I want to figure this out in time for black Friday shopping. This sets me up perfect to be able to deal with the learning curve of everyone from the users to Microsoft to the companies getting drivers out as well.

              The dual boot option is a fun route during the experimentation phase. I'm going to keep my eyes open and if I see some sweet deals on Friday for the 8 upgrade I'll just get that and Windows 7. If not I'll jump head first into 8 and see what happens.
              Computer is in the car, but in a very "raw" install right now.

              Worklog - here

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              • #9
                Alright guys, I stumbled into a sweet upgrade deal on Black Friday like we talked. The officemax near me had it for 30 bucks, so I went ahead and got that.

                I have an xp disc that I might be able to upgrade to 8 from, which would save me a good chunk of money so I'll try that first.
                Computer is in the car, but in a very "raw" install right now.

                Worklog - here

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                • #10
                  Stick to XP. Lol.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by chris350 View Post
                    Stick to XP. Lol.
                    XP is very stable and we all know how to work in it, but it's soon to be a thing of the past. There is a lot of good in the new operating systems, and the faster boot times crush what XP can do which is huge for a carpc.
                    Computer is in the car, but in a very "raw" install right now.

                    Worklog - here

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                    • #12
                      So I've heard. Well i ordered an SSD for the car pc..I'm still on the fence about putting back XP or should I make the jump to w7...so far the only good thing I've heard of W7 was its ability to manage SSD's better. WXP has no support built in for SSD's
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                      • #13
                        From talking to people about OS's this weekend, 7 is the new XP, and 8 is the new Vista. With 8, people are divided into love it and hate it camps. I found a utility called "Win8 StartButton", and it brings back a windows 7 style interface, but leaves the Metra interface there, so you still have access to it's features. I am giving 8 an fair and honest try, but I still find myself going back to the windows 7 interface to get things done.

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                        • #14
                          i haven't done any more then tinker with 8 a little at electronics stores on demo pc's, and the biggest hurdle for me is that start screen. i don't need any of that auto-update junk. i don't keep up on facebook, email, or care what's trending in, well, anything.. if i want to know whats going on, i'll look it up. i couldn't even figure out how to get to any real settings, or get to the command prompt in it-- which i tend to use a lot instead of hunting for the program..

                          i think the xp/vista comparison is a really good example-- that was really the main reason i've taken to win7 so well, and for the same reason avoided vista, and now it appears win8, the main reason being that i just don't need that kind of functionality anywhere..
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                          • #15
                            I don't like W8..the metro interface should of been laid out for touch scrreen oriented pc's. The OS by default should detect if the computer is touch screen capable or at least ask. The leap from point and click ala xp, w7..to w8 was too big of a leap. I just don't like it. I'll stick to xp or w7 for my car pc. I wish RR or centrafuse came in Mac flavors
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