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  • Windows XP Embedded,Win7, or Linux?

    I've been wanting to redo all the software on my CarPC for a while now. I can get a free copy of Windows XP Embedded and Windows 7 Professional through my school (don't care if the XPe image has a time limit or not because I can just make a new image if it does). Linux, naturally, is free. Right now it takes about 1 minute from power to usability with TinyXP.. I'd like to decrease that as much as possible. I have quite a few devices.

    Here's what I use now that I can think of:
    RoadRunner (Outdated version, don't remember which)
    DigitalFX2.5 skin
    Older version of Winamp
    BU353 GPS Unit/w iGuidance 3
    7" Lilliput usb touchscreen(works on and off with Xenarc controller)
    Outdated Netgear 802.11b USB wifi dongle
    IDE CD-RW/DVD-ROM Drive
    Wireless USB Mini-Keyboard
    PS2 Touchpad Mouse

    As it's obvious, it's time to at least update my software. What is everyone's recommendations? Also, I can keep iGuidance3 or get MapPoint2009/2004 through my school for free.

    I'm trying to do this as cheaply and efficiently as possible.
    2003 Nissan Xterra Worklog

    Total amount spent so far: $1196.64

    You will probably spend AT LEAST 2x what you initially budget for your CarPC Project!

    2003 Nissan Xterra - Modifications

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    If you choose Linux, you can't use iGuidance or RR/Winamp. But you can make Linux boot faster than the windows. So if you really want to use them, Linux won't be good for you.
    Former author of LinuxICE, nghost, nobdy.
    Current author of Automotive Message Broker (AMB).
    Works on Tizen IVI. Does not represent anyone or anything but himself.

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    • #3
      With Linux you can cold boot much faster than any windows system can boot. However, I dont think most windows users do cold boots. With hibernation, you can probably have your carpc up and playing music in 30sec or less. As for GPS nav, Ive only been exposed to Linux's Navit, and it's TERRIBLE. Maybe there is something better, but on the windows side, iGuidance is great especially due to the special touchscreen friendly mode.

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      • #4
        I'm extremely comfortable with Windows or Linux, and don't care what I use as long as it doesn't cost any more money. I've been cold booting, but maybe I need to Hibernate-Once-Resume-Many? If Linux doesn't have very good navigation software, would you guys recommend: TinyXP, Windows XP Professional, Windows XP Embedded, or Windows 7 Professional for the fastest boot times and quickest program loading?
        2003 Nissan Xterra Worklog

        Total amount spent so far: $1196.64

        You will probably spend AT LEAST 2x what you initially budget for your CarPC Project!

        2003 Nissan Xterra - Modifications

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        • #5
          I've been using Win7 and Win7 Embedded in my car PC. I would recommend Win7 over XP for sure. No need for HORM with Win7, just use hybrid sleep. If you really want to go all out, grab an OCZ Vertex 30GB.

          Win7 Embedded is still in CTP2, but I'm running it in my car and it works great.
          EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

          Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
          Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
          OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
          Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
          BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
          VoomPC 2

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          • #6
            I'm in the same situation where a rebuild of the OS is now needed, as I'm going to be using a SSD so i want to go W7, but some of the devices I have only have XP drivers.

            On W7 will defeat the purpose of running W7 if I cant find drivers for them on W7 platform?
            New Car PC Build list in progress

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            • #7
              I have a 10GB laptop hard drive and a 20GB ipod, so I'm about to do away with that setup. I just ordered an 80GB laptop hard drive off newegg. The problem with the ipod was that my music wouldn't work if it got under about 50 degrees and it was quite slow. I didn't think about Win7 having hybrid sleep. Right now, it's a contest between Windows XP Embedded and Windows 7 Professional.
              2003 Nissan Xterra Worklog

              Total amount spent so far: $1196.64

              You will probably spend AT LEAST 2x what you initially budget for your CarPC Project!

              2003 Nissan Xterra - Modifications

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kosti View Post
                I'm in the same situation where a rebuild of the OS is now needed, as I'm going to be using a SSD so i want to go W7, but some of the devices I have only have XP drivers.

                On W7 will defeat the purpose of running W7 if I cant find drivers for them on W7 platform?
                I'm sort of in the same boat. I need to redo this thing soon. I just can't stand the mini-quirks it has at present.

                I'm still undecided however. I think with the right settings you can still use Iguidance in WINE can you not? Probably not worth the headache, but I play with Debian quite a bit here and one thing about linux is once it's set, it's set. Windows, not so much.

                And don't get me wrong, I love Ride/Road-runner, but if I see that nag screen a few more times randomly, or have to wait what seems like forever to see the buttons behind the nag I swear there had best not be a hillbilly around with a shotgun in the back of his pickup, as my dash might get a fill of buckshot.

                I'm on Windows7 currently for this laptop, and to answer your question I'm betting the XP driver issues are probably less than you think. Most of the drivers that I had missing for this dell laptop were available through windows update. The couple that were not were fine with the Vista drivers. Assuming those are available for the hardware you have in question.
                2008 Ford Mustang GT/CS CARPC(99%)
                Software: Ride/Road-Runner, Digital FX skin 5.x, iGuidance 2011, GPSgate on Win7 64bit

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SFiorito View Post
                  I've been using Win7 and Win7 Embedded in my car PC. I would recommend Win7 over XP for sure. No need for HORM with Win7, just use hybrid sleep. If you really want to go all out, grab an OCZ Vertex 30GB.

                  Win7 Embedded is still in CTP2, but I'm running it in my car and it works great.
                  I'd like to try W7 embedded...where do I find it?
                  Thanks...

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                  • #10
                    @ Wungun: Try here

                    And have fun
                    F6 Tornado Project Log ; HP Blackbird Watercooled Server

                    Beta Tester for Centrafuse and 3dConnexion (No business affiliation with either)

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                    • #11
                      If you can really use linux's abilities, for examle, you can compile your own kernel,
                      use that, if not, use win7. Or Ubuntu linux, but than don't tell everyone you are using linux,
                      because it's just a secret unreleased prebeta of Windows 3829
                      Check my worklog:
                      Corsa + Atom + Gentoo Linux + 9" capacitive touchscreen

                      Lord of the boards: DFI CP100-NRM

                      "Or you can try Ubuntu, but than don't tell everyone you are using linux,
                      because it's just a secret unreleased prebeta of Windows 3829" :P

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                      • #12
                        Lol at Simplex.

                        Good one
                        F6 Tornado Project Log ; HP Blackbird Watercooled Server

                        Beta Tester for Centrafuse and 3dConnexion (No business affiliation with either)

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                        • #13
                          For windows 7 embedded what packages do you guys install to ensure compatability with front ends like Road Runner?

                          I tried to install it but i ran into some issues with memory and paging and when i ran road runner it had some script failures.

                          Any ideas? I am willing to give this another go

                          @SFiorito
                          What front end do you use?
                          -Jesus- King of Kings Lord of Lords

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                          • #14
                            I'm currently running both CF2 & 3 side-by-side. I didn't use a very scientific approach, just picked the most obvious packages (bluetooth, directx, networking, wireless, .net framework, COM, win32 libs, Speech API, Windows Shell as a fallback, windows installer since i didn't got all out and create custom packages for all software yet). Then I just looked at the dependencies. in most cases I just accepted all required dependencies and ignored optional deps.

                            The release candidate just came out yesterday, but I haven't had a chance to update my image config yet. I'll probably take a more low level approach for that one. but even now my image runs really well, fast boot, low memory consumption, and full compatibility with CF2 & 3.

                            When I get a cleaned up config for the new RC I'll share with anyone that's interested.
                            EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

                            Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
                            Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
                            OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
                            Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
                            BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
                            VoomPC 2

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                            • #15
                              SFiorito, what kind of boot times do you get with win7 embedded? You should do a video or something
                              Former author of LinuxICE, nghost, nobdy.
                              Current author of Automotive Message Broker (AMB).
                              Works on Tizen IVI. Does not represent anyone or anything but himself.

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