Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Major bummer....

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Major bummer....

    Well guys, I found a surprise this morning when I left for work: a FedEx package from M-Systems with the uDOC they promised me. For those that don't know, the uDOC is M-Systems' newest DiskOnChip product which they claim will be the fastest embedded storage solution on the market. Even faster than SanDisk's cards. It's unique in that it uses a USB interface. For those of you that are thinking, "XP can't boot from USB!!" Well, M-Systems has a custom driver for the uDOC. So as long as your mobo can boot USB 2.0 this is probably the greatest thing ever.... As long as your mobo can boot USB 2.0. Guess what? The MII (and probably all other VIA EPIA mobo's) can't boot USB 2.0, but only 1.0. Yeah, they have 2.0 support once the OS loads, but the BIOS only runs them in 1.0 which completely *****s the possibility of using USB for booting anything other than DOS!!! There are BIOS's out there that do real USB 2.0, but it's a matter of finding out which ones now. This is really ****ty because this product seems really cool. It's even smaller than a CF disk!!! So now I'm off to finding a mobo that can boot USB 2.0. I'll be emailing VIA to see if they have any plans to un***** themselves and support true USB 2.0 booting. DAMN!!!!
    EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

    Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
    Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
    OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
    Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
    BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
    VoomPC 2

  • #2
    That is bad news, have you got the 2GB one ?

    Why go for USB over the IDE version? I have been looking at these, and the IDE version plugs straight in to the IDE slot, see pic attached

    uDoc in situ

    KPUK
    M1000, 512MB, 512MB CF, 6GB Disk (4200rpm),
    DVD/RW, Dynamix 8" screen, M2-ATX, Custom case,Too many hours building and rebuilding and rebuild.......

    Comment


    • #3
      .

      I think he was thikning USB2 would be faster then IDE
      Progress [I will seriously never be done!]
      Via EPIA MII
      512MB RAM
      OEM GPS (embedded)
      nLite WinXP pro on
      1GB Extreme III CF card
      Carnetix 1260 startup/ DC-DC regulator
      Software: Still, re-Writing my existing front end in .Net

      Comment


      • #4
        That's not a uDOC. According to M-Systems this will be faster than any other DOC storage they've released before. The iDOC (IDE version you're talking about) only has 5MB/s sustained read rate and 1.5MB/s sustained write rate. They claim 20MB/s read rate and 10MB/s sustained write rate for the uDOC. It is very fast on my laptop USB 2.0 connector. Way faster than the SanDisk ExtremeIII even just copying files. It's just a matter of finding a mobo with Phoenix BIOS v4 Release 6.1 which has Highspeed USB boot. The Epia's use the Award BIOS which according to Phoenix's website doesn't have highspeed booting.
        EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

        Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
        Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
        OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
        Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
        BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
        VoomPC 2

        Comment


        • #5
          this looks pretty cool if you can get it working, looks promising for <10sec boot times, keep us updated
          Signature: [==||========] 20% complete

          Comment


          • #6
            SFiorito, What kind of real life sustained transfer rates have you been getting with your CF card(s)?
            Carputer installed!!!
            Nlited XP+Minlogon, EpiaM10k, 512mb, Seagate 40 gig 2.5" HD, FM Dlink usb radio, DWL122 USB Wifi, XMD1000 tuner, PT5071 6 amp regulator, Xenarc 700TSV, and 1 ikea key box.

            Comment


            • #7
              I haven't really tested any of the cards with a real HD performance tool so I can't say for sure.... I've used HDTach before, but maybe Sandra is better? Anyone have recommendations for a good HD testing tool?
              EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

              Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
              Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
              OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
              Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
              BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
              VoomPC 2

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by SFiorito
                I haven't really tested any of the cards with a real HD performance tool so I can't say for sure.... I've used HDTach before, but maybe Sandra is better? Anyone have recommendations for a good HD testing tool?

                Storage review does great hard drive reviews. Check out their Testing/burn in faq.
                http://faq.storagereview.com/tiki-index.php?page=BurnIn

                Comment


                • #9
                  Sandra has a flash memory speed benchmark that I've used recently. I may take a dive into the camera sites tomorrow to see what I find...
                  Carputer installed!!!
                  Nlited XP+Minlogon, EpiaM10k, 512mb, Seagate 40 gig 2.5" HD, FM Dlink usb radio, DWL122 USB Wifi, XMD1000 tuner, PT5071 6 amp regulator, Xenarc 700TSV, and 1 ikea key box.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Okay, here's an update.... according to Intel tech support all their new boards (which run AMIBIOS8) support high-speed USB booting. I've got one of their Micro-ATX boards with a CeleronD on order so hopefully it'll be here by Friday and I'll finally be able to test out the uDOC.
                    EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

                    Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
                    Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
                    OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
                    Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
                    BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
                    VoomPC 2

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      woooo, i want details and speed, looking foward to friday
                      Signature: [==||========] 20% complete

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        okay, another update.... first of all I got the Micro-ATX board. Real nice board. Yeah, it's bigger than the VIA MII, but it's much faster. It does indeed support high-speed USB booting. Only problem is that the BIOS sees the uDOC as a floppy disk type device instead of a harddrive which screws up the XP boot up process. No matter what arcpath I've given it, it can't boot up. If I format the uDOC in DOS then I can boot up as if it were a floppy disk, but since you can't run fdisk on it you can't create an active partition. You're actually supposed to use an M-Systems native XP tool to partition and format the uDOC for FAT32, NTFS, or NTFS Compressed. But the BIOS configuring it as a floppy screws up NTLDR probably. I'm waiting to hear back from Intel about this. Most new BIOS's let you configure how you want removable drives to show up (floppy, hard drive, cd, etc.). What I'm thinking is happening is that the BIOS assumes the uDOC is a floppy based on its size because my 1GB CF cards show up as hard drives over USB. On a side note, yes high-speed booting really is fast. Just as a test I booted using one of my CF cards on a USB card reader and it was damn quick. I'll post more when I hear something from Intel.

                        Also, it seems the ExtremeIII boots one or two seconds faster on this board than it did on the MII, so if all else fails I can still use the CF disk.
                        EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

                        Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
                        Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
                        OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
                        Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
                        BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
                        VoomPC 2

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          so does this board use much more power? are u using an opus to power it?
                          Signature: [==||========] 20% complete

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Well, it's in the house now so it's just running off my testing PSU. Haven't decided yet what I'll do for the car. I'd like to have a single PSU for both car and AC operation, so that I can bring it indoors and just plug it into an AC brick or something. Not sure if that's possible...
                            EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

                            Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
                            Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
                            OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
                            Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
                            BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
                            VoomPC 2

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              .

                              Man I can't wait till I get my CF card / IDE adapter so I can start doing some testing. I was supposed to have everything for the weekend... but listten to this: Ever get this message from UPS before ???

                              THE PACKAGE IS DELAYED DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND UPS' CONTROL;DELIVERY RESCHEDULED
                              THE PACKAGE IS DELAYED DUE TO EMERGENCY CONDITIONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL



                              I think my truck must have goten into an accident or something !!!
                              Progress [I will seriously never be done!]
                              Via EPIA MII
                              512MB RAM
                              OEM GPS (embedded)
                              nLite WinXP pro on
                              1GB Extreme III CF card
                              Carnetix 1260 startup/ DC-DC regulator
                              Software: Still, re-Writing my existing front end in .Net

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X