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  • Latest instructions on XP/EWF/CF please

    Sorry to jump in start a new thread on this but there are a few broken links in the original threads and I'm wondering if things have moved on...? If there is anything new on this I'd appreciate being directed. I Googled for a week but there seem to be conflicting ideas and this thread seemed the most up to date and very close to what I wanted to do.

    Having read this thread I tried to follow the links to the documentation resulting out of SFiorito's investigation for using EWF and hosted by knubile. Does anyone still have the document that was created? The orginal links are now broken. I read that knubile had put togeather a zip with all the files, reg files and insructions togeather but never saw it in the thread. If someone has this I'd be indebted.

    I have bought a Sandisk Extreme IV 4G CF card. Anyone else used this card? I now understand I can't set that as "fixed" but does that cause me major problems other than not being able to partition it? I have a CF-IDE adaptor ready and waiting..... I am hoping I haven't wasted my money trying to get the fastest card I could afford.

    I'm planning on using NTFS for the CF so I can compact if required. Plus my HD that I'll use as my image is NTFS and I don't want to have to reformat it and reinstall my XP and cut it down again. Seem OK? The MSDN XPe CF instructions say that I don't need to do anything to build the CF under NTFS, am I understand that correctly? Could anyone point me in the right direction to format and prepare the CF card? I will use Norton Ghost to get the NTFS image on the card.

    Apologies again for adding a new thread on this subject but personally not adding anything material to the discussion. Once I'm up to speed I'll try to correct that.

    Thanks,

    Steve.

  • #2
    Stoopid me!

    OK before I get rightly flamed here for being stupid I've found the instructions and the zips!

    My only remaining questions are can I stick with winlogon and has anyone used a Sandisk Extreme IV card? I bough the Sandisk USB CF reader with ESP technology that the Extreme IV uses to get the 40MB/s reads. I'm unsure if the admittedly cheap CF-IDE adaptor will support reads that fast! Any ideas of how I can check? I read somewhere that the cameras these cards were intended for are still compatible but I guess the fast transfer is really there for downloading via the CF-USB reader and not the camera and therefore probably not via an IDE adaptor.

    Sorry again for the duff post!

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    • #3
      You should use the instructions here: http://osf1.gmu.edu/~sfiorito/eXPinstall.htm

      Make sure you have a good CF-IDE adapter like from http://logicsupply.com or http://www.acscontrol.com. I've never used the Extreme IV, but if it supports UDMA then the computer will be able to use it. You may indeed get faster throughput from USB and you can boot XP from it with some registry and file hacks.
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      • #4
        Many thanks, that was the link I found after posting the thread, typical eh?:grin:

        I did wonder about following the instructions on booting from USB but for my setup, a HP TC4200 tablet PC and the fact I'm using it on a sports boat (with a hardtop for the wet UK summers!) means I don't really want lots of separate items that could fly about in rougher weather.

        What is the latest view on the fastest/most reliable Sandisk CF card version to use? I see you've used an Extreme III but I thought that also wasn't resettable to "fixed".

        Appreciate your advice.

        Steve.

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        • #5
          all the SanDisk cards are good, it's just a matter of what you need. If you want to use Stand By of Hibernation then you MUST use a "fixed" disk. Unfortunately, that limits you to Ultra II or Extreme I. Otherwise go ahead and try the Extreme IV and see how well it works.

          Also, keep in mind that SanDisk bought M-Systems which makes OEM and industrial level flash drives. They have a new CF card which will be the fastest out there and even support UDMA and come configured as a "fixed" drive. I don't know if it's out yet though.
          EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

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          Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
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          • #6
            Well it's arrived so will try it out, it's not going to be worse than an Extreme I. I don't need standby or hibernation.

            Not heard of the buyout lastest I heard was than Sandisk were getting out of the OEM card market.

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            • #7
              I am using the USB port on my laptop for my USB harddrive to boot to windows XP. I used this tutorial to get the job done... http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176

              In the tutorial, it tells you which files to edit if you do decided to go that route.

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              • #8
                Thanks Neems211 I read that thread. It is a possibility but due to my requirements less things hanging off my laptop the better on my boat.

                I am looking at how I will install my apps next. The laptop will be used for two purposes, navigation and entertainment. The entertainment will be mp3s and DVDs and used when stationary so not at risk of shock damage. I will have a 2.5" HD on USB for mp3s not sure what way to go re films, either bring a USB DVD player and DVDs or rip them onto the HD too. In the days of Marina wireless Internet I'll need Firefox too. As my CF will be protected by EWF I assume it is immune from viruses etc post reboot as long as I don't commit anything? So can I just scan the HD when connected to my home PC and not worry about virus software on my CF?

                On navigation there are various regular updates for charts and saved data for waypoints and routes. I tried installing the app on a USB flash key, worked fine didn't seem slow. I can live with killing a cheap USB key once a year but I think it'll last a while as the updates will never be more than a month. Like a lot of apps though it installs dlls in /System32 and registry entries so the install on the USB key will still be prior to enabling EWF. Benefit is I can plan routes at home and take them with me to the boat rather than having to copy them around. A better way is install the main app on the CF, there's plenty of room, but set the app to use the USB key as a store. Unfortunately the developers aren't that helpful even to a licence holder

                I'm running XP Tablet Edition and used XPLite trial to cut footprint down plus some manual trimming. I've not got the footprint anywhere near those reported on threads here. Still I have plenty of room on my oversized CF. That's what you get for buying before you finish your research I guess.

                One thing I discovered was that several of my really old 16MB USB 1.1 flash keys show up in XP as fixed media. Anyone else seen this, maybe on a larger capacity one? It would be nice to have the option of a pagefile if XP would allow me and it was beneficial. I read somewher that you can setup hard redirects as in UNIX based OS to point from a EWF'd partition to a non-protected one. Has anyone tried that?

                Great community you guys have here by the way.

                Thanks again,

                Steve.

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                • #9
                  Damn. 4GB Extreme IV supports UDMA 4 but as I can set it as fixed I can only format it as FAT16 right? SFiorito's and MSDN XPe instructions only cover FAT16 using bootprep and NTFS on a "fixed" CF. Is it definitely not possible to format FAT32 to address the whole 4GB and follow the bootprep route? Also the Sandisk USB reader only supports PIO so I'll not get the benefit of a fast card anyway.

                  Option is to get an Ultra II 4GB so I can set the ATA bit and format as NTFS and install directly on that (or copy a Norton Ghost image of my HD build?). Or sort my XP build better to get it and my apps to fit on a 2GB Ultra and go the well documented FAT16 route.

                  Your thoughts appreciated:-) It's 09:30 here I'd better get to work!

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                  • #10
                    You can definitely format the card as FAT32. That's what I did for my Extreme III So your BIOS sees it as UDMA4?? Nice.
                    EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

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                    • #11
                      FAT32 then use bootprep in same way? Research (when I should have been bug fixing at work) resulted in thinking I'd have to use FAT16 with a 64k cluster size. The XPe MSDN pages seemed to say only FAT16 was usable with bootprep.

                      No card supports UDMA4 but the card reader I have doesn't support that only PIO. Apparently there is a Firewire Sandisk reader that supports UDMA4 (not a lot of good) but there is a 3rd party USB 2.0 reader from compuapps that will. Not useful for me as I don't want a USB device hanging off my system but might be nice for those who don't mind. It's on sale at 19.95 at the moment too.

                      See here

                      Now if I could get XP to see it as UDMA4 in an IDE adapter I'd be grinning like a fish. Odd term I know!

                      Steve.

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                      • #12
                        Oh, I thought you meant the BIOS reported the CF card running with UDMA4.

                        But anyways, yes on my "removable" CF cards I would always format as FAT32, run bootprep, and then copy the XP installation over and boot up.
                        EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

                        Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
                        Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
                        OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
                        Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
                        BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
                        VoomPC 2

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                        • #13
                          Many thanks.

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                          • #14
                            I hope this will help many of you. I had to learn this on my own and did not find any information in regurds to this back when I got started on this.
                            The idea was to run Windows XP Pro on a 4 Gig CF Card.
                            I found a MB which had a slot for CF. (Note you can also use an IDE to CF card adapter available a Frys Electronics etc...
                            NOTE: I will not be held responisible for any loss of data or malfunction of your computer, equipment or vehicle.


                            IN LAYMANS TERMS:
                            Boot to CD (after having the CF Card installed and recognized in Bios. (let this your only IDE device other than the CD Drive (Containing XP)

                            Note you can even install it to your thumb drive (USB Device) But only have one of these connected (so pick one)

                            Then do a normal install. (Be sure to format the device)

                            ------By the way you do not even have to Use Ghost.
                            I Installed directly to the card there are some files you have to change/setting you have to disable within XP if you need help contact me.

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                            • #15
                              installing directly to flash isn't the best idea since it will use up a lot of write/read cycles.
                              EWF, HORM, MinLogon on XP.

                              Zotac ION Atom N330, 2GB low-profile RAM, M3-ATX
                              Win Embedded Std 2011 RC
                              OCZ Vertex Turbo 30GB SSD
                              Lilliput 629 Transflective, WRX Screen Mount
                              BlueSoleil BT, i-Blue GM-2 GPS, DirectedHD Radio, Andrea Mic
                              VoomPC 2

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