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    I'm tring to connect two wireless routers wirelessly, is that possible? What's going on is at one location I have a wireless router with the internet connection, at the other location I already own a second wireless router and wish to use it to extend the distance of the internet signal. I'm wondering if this is possible and if there is any setup required on the second router. Do I need to clone the mac address of the first router with the second? I'm just not too sure on this. Any help would be great.
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    Use a wireless router at the internet connection point. Use a wireless bridge (or second non-router access point) and it will pick up the connection. Make sure you use encryption. Too many people are LAN Warring these days. But yes, it is possible.
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    • #3
      Does the second point HAVE to be a non-router access point? I already own the second router. Plus the second router allows for segmenting the nework a bit.
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      • #4
        If one of the routers has bridging/repeating, then yes, otherwise no.

        An example of one that does is the BuffaloTech WBR-G54. Very few "entry level" routers are able to do that.


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        • #5
          That is a sad sad thing. I'm assuming that my linksys BEFW11S4 probably doesn't do that. I don't recall seeing that as an option anywhere in the config. I did download the latest firmware upgrade to see if that will do anything nice for me, but the hopes are low now. :-(
          2006 Chevy Colorado: VIA M10000 EDEN, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB 2.5" Seagate HDD, USB Slim Slot DVD/RW, Holux GPS, MobileVU 10.4" LCD (touch not working yet), VOOMPC Case (blue), 70W DC-DC supply.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jackso
            That is a sad sad thing. I'm assuming that my linksys BEFW11S4 probably doesn't do that. I don't recall seeing that as an option anywhere in the config. I did download the latest firmware upgrade to see if that will do anything nice for me, but the hopes are low now. :-(
            If you have a PC in Location #2 you could run two NIC's and connection share to the second AP... in theory. It's kind of clunky though and the DHCP may get messy. I run my AP's with DHCP disabled now as it became a pain in the butt mapping ranges.

            Chris.

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            • #7
              Considering the wireless bridge idea... If I got say the linksys WET11 and used it to recieve wireless router 1 (the one with the internet connection) and connected the WET11 to the wired "internet/wan" port on wireless router 2, in theory the second router could then re-broadcast the internet? The problem I see there is keeping the WET11 from picking up the signal from the second router since it will obviously be much closer than the first. What do yous think about that?
              2006 Chevy Colorado: VIA M10000 EDEN, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB 2.5" Seagate HDD, USB Slim Slot DVD/RW, Holux GPS, MobileVU 10.4" LCD (touch not working yet), VOOMPC Case (blue), 70W DC-DC supply.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jackso
                Considering the wireless bridge idea... If I got say the linksys WET11 and used it to recieve wireless router 1 (the one with the internet connection) and connected the WET11 to the wired "internet/wan" port on wireless router 2, in theory the second router could then re-broadcast the internet? The problem I see there is keeping the WET11 from picking up the signal from the second router since it will obviously be much closer than the first. What do yous think about that?
                You should be able to tie in the WET11 to the SSID of the Internet router, I think it is a standard feature of 802.11b to allow selection so you choose your network.

                Have a look at pages 15-22 of the WET11 user guide on the Linksys web site.

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                • #9
                  Yes... You absoultly don't need router 2. A router is designed to assign Sub IPs to client PCs. Generally, Wi-Fi Routers can support up to 128 users. Having a second router might not work. In fact, it may create sub IPs under Sub IPs. This will, in theory not allow traffic. However, if you turn off the "router" portion of the router, you can in essance use it as a bridge and switch! I believe my WiFi Linksys does that and it is an older model. The 1st router (on the internet connection) WILL broadcast the internet to the (Router 2) if routing is disabled on router 2. Otherwise, you get a routing conflict.

                  So in a nut shell, either disable routing on router #2, or dump the router and just get an access point to use as a bridge.
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                  • #10
                    Alright, thanks. I'll try turning off the router portion of the second router and use it as a switch only. The sub-ips of sub-ips didn't cross my mind, but I see where that could cause some problems.
                    Thanks again.
                    2006 Chevy Colorado: VIA M10000 EDEN, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB 2.5" Seagate HDD, USB Slim Slot DVD/RW, Holux GPS, MobileVU 10.4" LCD (touch not working yet), VOOMPC Case (blue), 70W DC-DC supply.

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                    • #11
                      A second router will work ok, I have a Linksys with DHCP disabled, I connect it with the uplink port to my primary switch an DHCP server so my wireless clients get DHCP from one central server. Works a treat.

                      I agree entirely though that a second wireless switch just complicates things if you don't really need it.

                      Thankfully I have structured CAT5E now and a nice patch panel in the basement so my Linksys is a luxury rather than a necessity!

                      Chris.

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                      • #12
                        Sorry to hijack this thread, but I was just thinking about this myself.

                        Could you use a wifi router (with the access point option) for wardriving? If you have the router in your car, and netstumler running, could you access the internet, assuming that you have routing turned off?

                        (I have access to a cheap router, so its better than getting a card.)
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                        • #13
                          The short answer is no.

                          I had almost no luck getting 2 wireless routers to connect to one another. A wireless router is basically a router and access point in one box. Thus, you would be basically trying to do what I was trying to do and you would never get them to connect.

                          Secondly, netstumbler wouldn't see the access point as a "wireless card" and would never show any connections.

                          Third, even if you somehow DID get this to work (which I'm confident you wouldn't) you would get no signal strength indication which sucks.
                          2006 Chevy Colorado: VIA M10000 EDEN, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB 2.5" Seagate HDD, USB Slim Slot DVD/RW, Holux GPS, MobileVU 10.4" LCD (touch not working yet), VOOMPC Case (blue), 70W DC-DC supply.

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                          • #14
                            As a side note (back to the original post), I ended up breaking down and buying the d-link 800ap+ wireless access point and bridge. I set it up in bridge mode, gave it router #1s MAC address, and things are good wirelessly. Next I have to see if the 800ap+ creates lan on the ethernet port used to program it when it's receiving a wireless signal. If it does, i can jack that into the uplink port of router #2 to connect all the hard wired computers.

                            The only problem with the 800ap+ is that the instructions say that when the orange light is flashing, you have wireless signal. The problem is, the orange light flashes when there isn't enough wireless signal to carry data. So, it's kind of hit or miss as to whether or not you place the thing in an area with enough signal to actually do anything.

                            here is the link of where I got it, non-retail package, refurbed but it's really cheap here. Compusa currently has it for $30 after like a $20 rebate, but I don't like screwing with the rebates. Maybe this will help someone else.
                            http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DWL-800AP-R
                            2006 Chevy Colorado: VIA M10000 EDEN, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB 2.5" Seagate HDD, USB Slim Slot DVD/RW, Holux GPS, MobileVU 10.4" LCD (touch not working yet), VOOMPC Case (blue), 70W DC-DC supply.

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                            • #15
                              not to get off subject but

                              My appologies in advance, im new at forums. Any help here would be very welcomed.

                              Is it possible to pick up my internet connected wireless network, thats broadcast by my Verizon Wireles ([I]Action[I][B]Tec[B] M1424WR, with my linksys WRT54G V5 ? (not to rebroadcast it for range as mentioned above) but just to provide a wired connection to my roommates Desktop thats in an other part of the house ( 200ft of CAT 5 is not to practical)

                              Moneys a bit tight on his end right now, and I'm sure we've all been down that road a time or two.

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