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    Notes by bugbyte:

    1. Boost mobile is a pay-go-phone. You have to buy the phone, you have to load it up with minutes. It comes with a free $10.00 on it. There is no contract but you must reload the phone every so often. It will cost you about $10 a month to keep it active.

    2. Boost runs on the Nextel network and brands Boost as a service by offering specific Boost phones under the Boost name. Two of the phones, the i415 and i455 have a GPS built into them. the i415 is about $40.

    3. In addition to the voice, you *must* add a data service to the Boost plan if you want to use the phone as a cellular modem -the whole point of this thread. That access is very slow but there is WiDen coverage in some metropolitan areas that is faster. You can enable this on the i415 and i455. The data option is 35 cents a day whether you use it or not. That equates to approximately $11 a month.

    4. There is no limit to the amount of data you can transfer.

    5. If you want to track the phone, Boost offers a service called Loopt that both track the phone and allows you to see your friends positions who also have Loopt. Loopt is free for now but they plan to charge $2.99 in the future.

    6. A free alternative to Loopt is mologogo. Mologogo is a Java client app that you run on your phone (so is Loopt). It is free. The difference between Loopt and Mologogo is that Boost makes Loopt available for download over the air to your phone. In order to load Mologogo on your phone, you must purchase a data cable, get an app (iDenJal) that allows you to load the app on your phone, download the mologogo app and load it onto your phone. If that is too complex for you, you can purchase a Boost phone with mologogo pre-loaded on it from the mologogo web site.

    7. The tracking program runs on the phone. That means that the track shows where your phone is, not your car computer. The car computer is not necessary for the tracking to work.

    8. You need the data cable to use the phone as a modem. The modem function gives you the same access to the net that you get when you are plugged into the net. Email, surfing, whatever. Just muuuuuuch slower.

    9. Ways to use the phone as modem: Download weather, traffic information. Use Goops or an equivalent Google Earth tracking application to downlod the map data as you drive along without having to cache it ahead of time. Use some of the tracking apps that members here have written to broadcast your position. Chat, get email, etc.

    For a review of actual usage by bugbyte, read: Full http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/1049598-post288.html

    Notes by PURDooM:

    The phone is a motorola phone and puts out an ok amount of radiation, so you will want to position it away from your speakers or headunit if possible so the speakers don't hear the interference.

    Speeds are just slightly higher than a 56k connection (about 7 k per second). Make sure you bump up the baud rate on both the phone and in windows - the baud rate defaults at 19200 baud which is about 1/3 the speed.

    To activate a data call, follow this post:
    http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show...7&postcount=10

    Rafster reports that you need 'codeplugging' to enable wiDen service on a i450. I personally only tried the i415, which had no wIden service.
    http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show...7&postcount=32

    And hey, after it is all set up you have a 2nd cellphone as well, so you can give it to your friend or kid or something when you need it and text him when you need to get his attention.



    AS A ADDED BONUS, nextel boost mobile phones have a fully working gps reciever in them. Apparently you need a serial data cable to use it with your PC (and you cant use it the same time as a data call), but you can use it with software on the phone. A popular program is mologogo, which is a java based GPS tracking solution. Check out their web page. http://mologogo.com/ A james bond like application of this would be stick the program on the phone, run it, put some strong magnets on the phone and slap it onto the bottom of some car you want to track. The battery will track for a good 8 hours.

    Edit: Yes, boost uses a sim card. No, you can't use it in another phone you have laying around the house (unless it is a nextel phone). Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_Mobile
    Since Boost Mobile USA runs on iDEN, it uses a Subscriber Identity Module (SIM) card (incompatible with GSM or other wireless technologies) to store user information. Thus it is possible to use Boost Mobile with a Nextel handset simply by inserting the Boost SIM card into the handset.
    Anywho, origional thread follows:

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    I've been investigating how to get my pocket pc + gps uploading data like gpssecure does, and I can't seem to find anything. However, in my searches, I came across this service for java and gps enabled cell phones:

    http://mologogo.com/

    It currently works on pretty much any Nextel phone with Java, GPS and a data plan — even a sub $80 no-contract Boost Mobile phone. More
    edit: a $49 i415
    edit2: don't get an i415, its too slow, get an i450.

    wtf free data plan?

    Someone else said (http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...eadid=862243):

    Hey i feel bad that no one has commented about this...I just did yesterday with my i415...and it was a slow connection, but it worked and it was Free, as in i checked my balance and it was the same the next day and the day after...so its FREE TOO!!! I did use a Serial cable tho but i dont think that would matter...the i875 should too but will work faster than my i415...hope that helps.
    I'll do more investigatigating, but at the very least it looks like boost mobile could provide barebones data services with little to no monthly cost. I know I only need data for gps position uploading and instant messaging, and reading RSS feeds with whatever information updates I need. A 19200 baud connection could do all that fine.

    Thoughts?
    Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

    Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

    Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

  • #2
    Originally posted by PURDooM
    I've been investigating how to get my pocket pc + gps uploading data like gpssecure does, and I can't seem to find anything. However, in my searches, I came across this service for java and gps enabled cell phones:

    http://mologogo.com/



    wtf free data plan?

    Someone else said (http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...eadid=862243):



    I'll do more investigatigating, but at the very least it looks like boost mobile could provide barebones data services with little to no monthly cost. I know I only need data for gps position uploading and instant messaging, and reading RSS feeds with whatever information updates I need. A 19200 baud connection could do all that fine.

    Thoughts?
    I thought that iDen was only able to do something like 9600BPS....




    Peace,

    Rafster
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    • #3
      It does. Well, 19200 BPS or so (2 k per second). Some phones are apparently cappable of "WiDen" which is a bit faster, but they cost more and coverage of WiDen is limited.

      Edit: Widen is about 5 times faster. Or so.

      For some applications, it is plenty. It won't do streaming radio though, and you probably want to turn off images for web.

      I missread the free part, what it should be is "pretty cheap". $20 every 3 months will keep your phone alive, and .20 cents a day will pay for web (which comes out of your $20 balance). After 3 months the web service will cost $18, which comes out of your $20 credit. So its like its free as long as you only use the phone for data and you keep your phone at its minimum balance.

      I'm buying a motorola i285 and data cable off of ebay, when they arrive ill report how the service handles. Edit: I bought a i415 from a sprint store instead.
      Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

      Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

      Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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      • #4
        I bought the i450 at Best Buy two days ago and have been using the regualr built in wap - it's ok...

        I received my USB cable in the mail today (though they shipped wrong one, I ordered one which is data/charger in usb - perfect for carpc)

        So.. I'm expecting to see iDen speeds, and then hoping to codeplug to Widen.

        DSL reports I just ran:

        dslreports.com speed test result on 2006-05-05 17:31:46 EST:
        55 / 42
        Your download speed : 55 kbps or 6.9 KB/sec.

        Your upload speed : 42 kbps or 5.2 KB/sec.

        Then I tried Skype - not so good but 56kb MP3 from soma.fm ran fine.

        Ran another speedtest with a different server:

        dslreports.com speed test result on 2006-05-05 18:10:20 EST:
        53 / 35
        Your download speed : 53 kbps or 6.7 KB/sec.

        Your upload speed : 35 kbps or 4.3 KB/sec.

        From what I've read these seem like WiDen speeds - could it be that the i450's sold now have it enabled?

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        • #5
          That's decent..

          Are you just using DUN to dial in or are you using special software?

          Peace,

          Rafster
          Post # 3000

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          • #6
            Just DUN with the Motorola USB Iden Driver that came with RSS. It's funny because the last two days I've been learning about WAP, wap gateways and emulators and it turns out a regular browser with graphics may be a reality in my car. I still might run a proxy server that compresses images (RabbIT) though I may have to install a linux server for that.

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            • #7
              I also just got my usb cable, but didnt have time to try web browsing with it before I went to work today. However, I did get the java app uploader on it and uploaded mologogo (Real time gps tracker) and am so far impressed - the only issue is a n incoming call (Idiot who has wrong number) interupts the gps tracker app and it has to be manually rstarted again - working on a solution for that. So far the phone is impressing me...

              Its pretty sweet that BM has a real gps reciever complete with NEMA output for $50.

              Ill get back with more info...

              Edit: Dude, check it out, its me driving my car ^.^ and that is only from the phone output - no external gps or whatnot.

              Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

              Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

              Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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              • #8
                I am posting this post off of the connection provided by my i415 phone. Its working alright, a little slow but definatly managable. Its even running my 8 chat connections or so I have set up on trillian to aim, msn, yahoo, and the such. I'll speed test it in a sec, as well as some situation tests to see what happens when it gets a phone call or if it can run its java apps while hosting the data connection.

                One thing I noticed was my usb cable doesn't charge the phone while it is plugged in, and because the data port is also the charger port there is no way to simultaneously plug in the charger cable. I'll do some investigating on how to get that working too.

                Does anybody know how to read the NEMA output on nextel phones GPS units without a USB cable? I know it is possible with serial, but I don't know how with USB.
                Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

                Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

                Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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                • #9
                  Followup: I get about 20 kilobits down on this phone, so its kinda slow. However reception in my house's basment (where the computer is) is ****poor so perhaps that is why it is slow (bad reception = slow data). But, it is still nearly free and you don't have to use your current cellphone so I can forgive its slowness :P
                  Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

                  Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

                  Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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                  • #10
                    Followup 2: Haha cool! This is a crapton better than sprints tether service. The phone can still function as a phone when a computer is tethered onto the nextel packet internet service - and java apps can still use the connection too at the same time! So on my next carputer I could set the phone thing to start mologogo on startup so it immediantly starts uploading GPS fixes when it turns on, and while it is doing that I can still browse the internet and check my email, or whatever I do on my carputer.

                    I am going to record configuration for both tools here just so I can more easilly make an FAQ of it later:

                    Tethering internet:
                    USB drivers for iden:
                    http://idenphones.motorola.com/iden/...stallation.jsp
                    Dial up connection phone number: S=2#777 user/password blank
                    create the connection and go to the properties of the connection and (in XP) Networking tab, Settings button, turn off 'enable LLP extensions' and turn on 'modem compression'
                    If something is wrong call up boost and have them enable multimedia services(MMS), but it should be on on all new boost phones

                    Mologogo:
                    get USB drivers
                    get webjal (check google) (temp url: http://rapidshare.de/files/18223245/Webjal_vOD.exe.html )
                    follow guide ( http://mologogo.wikispaces.com/Setup+guide ) important notes:
                    Once you install and patch WebJal you need to configure it to use the USB port.
                    Then hit login with username/password both blank.
                    Then click on connect to phone.
                    Send the app.
                    Important: If 'cant retrieve friends' then go to settings on phone, advanced, connectivity, master reset, password all zeros (000000), and do it and when the phone finishes resetting there should be a small one (1) next to the cell icon near the top of the screen (2nd icon from the left, first being the 'number of bars'
                    Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

                    Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

                    Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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                    • #11
                      WOW!!!!

                      Unlimited internet in car for $6/month if that's all u use it for.....

                      NICE!!!!!!!!

                      Who cares if it's slow, there's no need to do any webcam freeway porn of urself getting road head.....



                      I might have to pick up a boost plan...

                      BTW, do you know if there is any difference in the types of phones as far as connection speeds go? For example, for GSM phones, there's GPRS (+/- 56K), then there's Edge (+/- 236KBPS)....

                      Peace,
                      Rafster
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                      • #12
                        PurDoom:

                        NexTel has a charger and USB cable in one. That's what I actually ordered on eBay but the seller shipped the wrong item. It's about $30 on the nextel site. Hopefully he'll ship the correct one and I can send this back. Either way - it doesn't seem like using the net drains that much battery - and I'm probably going to set it up so it disconnects if the net isn't in use. It only takes a moment for it to log back on and on standby the phone should last for days.

                        I also set up my mologogo today - very cool!

                        Raftster:

                        There is iDEN and WiDEN. iiDEN is supposed to be up to ~20kbps, WiDEN is up to 120kbs I think.

                        The newer more expensive boot phones are supposed to have WiDEN, however, I read that you can mod the i450 ($79) so that it can also use WiDEN. You can check out the howard forums thread about that...

                        However, it seems that the i450 I recently bought at Best Buy must be already capable as I am getting speeds between 50-80kbps (the 'real world' WiDen speeds posted by many). I'm guessing that Boost Mobile must have enabled it by default as they are pitching the Boost TV and other pay per use services. That's why I was so surprised and when I first ran speed tests and began browsing the web. I've even been listening to shoutcast radio stations in my car (48kbs AAC with some buffering is perfect)

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                        • #13
                          Ahh, I didn't know that. I spent $5 (price includes shipping) apice for my car charger and my data cable (total $10) and plan on splicing them together. My plan is to have a 'fire and forget' solution so I can stick the phone in the car and forget its there, or wire it physically into the dash. A little display on the dash showing the cars position on a map would have a cool novelty to it.
                          Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

                          Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

                          Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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                          • #14
                            True - I was quite surprised how good the google maps look when using mologogo and the phones are small enough to mount near/on the actual dashboard.

                            If you are able to successfully splice the cables let me know - I may consider that if I can't get the actual cable I had ordered.

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                            • #15
                              This doesn't look too hard. I snapped one of the release buttons off on the data cable and used that to pry off the case. Underneath it looks like this:



                              If I were to label the pins starting at pin 0 and going to pin 16, then pin 0 is black, 3 is blue, 4 is white, and 5 is red. (all corosponding to a pin on the usb cable).

                              If I were to wire services into the cable, then I would connect pin 2 and and 16 to the charge cable (I bet #2 is grounded). I have a friend with a steady soldering hand so I'll have him do it.

                              Anybody know the pinouts that a nexttel serial cable uses? I bet I could make a serial cable myself. This means... serial NEMA GPS output!
                              Current projects: iGmod reloaded (Latest release) (put on hiatus indefinatly)

                              Unlimited Internet and gps tracking for $6 a month with boost mobile!

                              Carputer 2: www.lmaocar.com

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