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  • Ban on Auto Apps? Serisously, people actually want to.

    So, from time to time I read the Telematics Update, a website that caters to OEMs and others that are attempting to catch up to what you all have been doing here for the last 10 years.

    Just thought I would share a link about fear of auto apps here.

    This is a real issue, people do not always understand what an auto app and that one can designs apps to be used intuitively while driving.

    I've got a friend here that works on human computer interaction and she suggested checking out an older cognitive modeling to measure how busy drivers are and calculate how much time it takes them to do to something.

    She also suggested checking out some driving simulators. Here and here.

    Just wondering what you guys think about all of this.
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  • #2
    Yep, older cognitive processes don't work as they used to.

    I wonder about all these surveys... What are they gonna say once the multi-tasking, mutli-monitor Doom/Halo raised children start driving. Will they provide the same results?

    Cell phone usage is obviously dangerous since you spend time creating the image of the person or story in your mind blocking out in-front of you visuals. lolo, I've driven through town and end up realizing that by being on my phone I really didn't remember a large portion of the road I had just driven.

    However, the times I have used built-in bluetooth through the car's speakers I didn't enjoy the same paranormal experience. Not very scientific but this could be related to 3 different types of people according to NLP.

    As for apps, I bet that this is similar to what people were first thinking when car navigation came around. Or even the first digital visualizations on radio decks.

    I would say that a well developed UI could actually reduce risks of fiddling around with your deck.

    BUT! What about normal gages? When I was driving my garage queen I spent most of my time watching the oil temp lolo, the only way to keep my eyes on the road was to drive faster than the speed the oil takes to over heat. Would this type of situation also apply as "busy driver"?

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    • #3
      Well, these are real and serious issues. There's a need for science behind it because automakers are bringing these systems to the masses. A few hobbyists with PC's in there cars don't add up to a public menace but a Ford Sync in every car could.

      To me, it is obvious you can't operate your phone in the car. A ban on mobile device use is a good one and frankly, I'm surprised there isn't a ban even on hands-free. Interestingly, I find the same thing as Sapporo - with a headset on, I'm more distracted than if it comes over the stereo. I don't know if there's science behind that, but over the stereo, it is like the person is in the car with you rather than inside your head.

      My various versions of the car PC, though, have certainly seemed less distracting. If it is set up properly, you can glance at the screen just as quickly as you can glance at the speedometer. The problem is when you have to perform hand/eye coordination tasks. Using gestures to control music, I don't find myself distracted at all. My eyes never leave the road.

      Anyhow, I'm not surprised that there's a call for some kind of action. Hopefully though, we will get some sort of research and recommendations before it reaches that point. Meanwhile, if someone operating an OEM system takes out a family of 4, expect an instant reaction.
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      • #4
        I just don't see any kind of OEM restriction having an influence on the problem they're attempting to prevent. The type of people who will use an auto app generally have another product that runs apps (ipod,pad, tablet, smartphone). Preventing an OEM twitter app like the one Ford Sync runs just means a person has to use an even more dangerous device to achieve the same thing.
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        • #5
          I swear people have nothing better to do. I understand text messaging, but trying to limit what we can do on apps is to much. I have taken every precaution to ensure that my setup is safe and does not distract me. With that being said, you are always going to have people that use things responsibily, and then people that do not.

          In my mind its just someone that wants to make rules to control what we do in our cars. Whether its for our safety or simply profit, is unknown.

          I agree with Sonic..... if someone tells me that I cant do something, I will most def find a way around it.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sonicxtacy02 View Post
            I just don't see any kind of OEM restriction having an influence on the problem they're attempting to prevent. The type of people who will use an auto app generally have another product that runs apps (ipod,pad, tablet, smartphone). Preventing an OEM twitter app like the one Ford Sync runs just means a person has to use an even more dangerous device to achieve the same thing.
            Exactly - if car pcs don't get more exciting in a safe and intuitive way, we are all going to keep using our smartphones while we're driving.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
              In my mind its just someone that wants to make rules to control what we do in our cars. Whether its for our safety or simply profit, is unknown.
              Not disagreeing, but the distraction problem is surely real. We had 4 high school seniors who died last year because the driver was texting while driving on a two lane road. They went over the side and it took 2 days before they were found.

              That kind of stuff gets blanket laws passed. And there's really not any argument you can use with someone who's relatives were killed by a distracted driver short of an outright ban on anything that could distract a driver.

              The irony, as you point out, is that a ban on apps or texting doesn't prevent the type of accident that happened here. It just makes it illegal but doesn't change the behavior.
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              • #8
                I find it amazing that people prioritise distractions over driving. But maybe that's just me - road is first - the passengers, phone, music, text, cigarette & coffee are all secondary.

                And I fail to see how a person on the other end of a phone is more distracting than *#!!%$#! entities in the vehicle....
                Do they plan on eventually enclosing us in a sealed Faraday cage separate to the family/passenger compartment.
                Personally I favor that 'cos it prevents people waking me up whilst I'm driving!

                The studies are far from complete (from an HFE POV). But they probably won't realise that until boredom, stress & frustration causes more accidents.... It's like saying "speed kills".


                It makes me wonder how drivers from yesteryear survived...
                Maybe it was all the dope smoking (which led to slower driving or exceptional road concentration).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bugbyte View Post
                  Not disagreeing, but the distraction problem is surely real. We had 4 high school seniors who died last year because the driver was texting while driving on a two lane road. They went over the side and it took 2 days before they were found.

                  That kind of stuff gets blanket laws passed. And there's really not any argument you can use with someone who's relatives were killed by a distracted driver short of an outright ban on anything that could distract a driver.

                  The irony, as you point out, is that a ban on apps or texting doesn't prevent the type of accident that happened here. It just makes it illegal but doesn't change the behavior.
                  I agree.... I meant app wise. Texting I know is a really big issue. I go ahead and pull over if I have to text that bad. I think if people set up their cars like they should then its fine. If texting is bad, then come up with a solution to make texting hands free, not ban it or put restrictions on it.

                  Originally posted by OldSpark View Post
                  I find it amazing that people prioritise distractions over driving. But maybe that's just me - road is first - the passengers, phone, music, text, cigarette & coffee are all secondary.

                  And I fail to see how a person on the other end of a phone is more distracting than *#!!%$#! entities in the vehicle....
                  Do they plan on eventually enclosing us in a sealed Faraday cage separate to the family/passenger compartment.
                  Personally I favor that 'cos it prevents people waking me up whilst I'm driving!

                  The studies are far from complete (from an HFE POV). But they probably won't realise that until boredom, stress & frustration causes more accidents.... It's like saying "speed kills".


                  It makes me wonder how drivers from yesteryear survived...
                  Maybe it was all the dope smoking (which led to slower driving or exceptional road concentration).
                  I agree......... i always put driving first, but now a days people don't. I remember this lady rear ended me and she was chatting on her phone. I was watching her before she hit me. She was literally talking but like starring into some far off land while doing it.

                  I know this might sound bad but if I wanted to get rid of a lot of these issues, then I would make things to fix it. If you do not want speeding, then make a device in the car that doesn't allow you to speed and makes you drive the limit. If they don't want texting, make a device that allows us to text via voice or something that is not distracting. Making laws for certain things is dumb in some categories.
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                  • #10
                    The laws may not affect you guys, but they do stop a good percentage of people because our country is run on fear.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by optikalefx View Post
                      The laws may not affect you guys, but they do stop a good percentage of people because our country is run on fear.
                      Depends on what the laws apply to. Me, I speed all the time. If it says 40MPH, im easily doing 60MPH, the highway I hit speeds of 100MPH. If I get caught, a hire a lawyer, it gets thrown out, so I defeated the law. There is a law that does not allow video to play while driving, yet all the OEMs list in the manual that if you do not want to use that feature, simply do not connect such and such wire.

                      Now if you mean laws like airport security and what not.... Then yea, I remember someone did a remix about Air Planes looking like shooting stars at night and some commenter got bent out of shape saying that the song is bad because of 9/11. WTF? 9/11 was in the day time and they didnt look like shooting stars, they simply looked like planes hitting buildings. Then I had so many people saying that I was wrong.... So now people cant say planes look like something because of 9/11? Im so thankful fear doesnt control me at all.
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                      • #12
                        Tell me you go 100mph and don't look out for cops.
                        Most people that always go 10-15 or even 20 over the speed limit usually have a watchful eye out for cops. Why? Fear. Fear of getting a ticket, fear of having to pay for something they can't afford, fear of embarrassment, fear of getting your license taken away, fear of having to start your learners over again, fear of hearing **** from your folks. No matter the reason laws work at all is because they instill fear in people.

                        IMO fear is a horrible mechanism for behavior. :/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by optikalefx View Post
                          Tell me you go 100mph and don't look out for cops.
                          Most people that always go 10-15 or even 20 over the speed limit usually have a watchful eye out for cops. Why? Fear. Fear of getting a ticket, fear of having to pay for something they can't afford, fear of embarrassment, fear of getting your license taken away, fear of having to start your learners over again, fear of hearing **** from your folks. No matter the reason laws work at all is because they instill fear in people.

                          IMO fear is a horrible mechanism for behavior. :/
                          LOL.... I do watch out for Cops, but lately with all the stuff I have done to my car, they leave me alone. i literally was going 60 in a 30 and he did a u-turn behind me. Once he caught up, I was down to 40 but he then saw himself on the screen and instead pulled to the side of me. He was so focused on looking in my car that he ran a red light, had to stop and go in reverse to get back behind the line. I look out for them mainly because I do not want to be inconvenienced with having to stop. I was raised to embrass fear, so it doesnt bother me. Only thing that i do fear are certain bugs, spider webs and getting a virus, lol.
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                          • #14
                            I think getting a Snow Leopard would fix all those fears

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                            • #15
                              It's because ZX1 speeds that he doesn't have accidents....
                              (I think I'm correct on that call eh ZX1?)

                              Let's face it, we will have robot cars where all you do is set the destination, determine the route, music and volume (to a max of 640dBA-H of course!) and the vehicle does all the maneuvering.
                              And because if that, my vehicles will be banned (unless retrofitted or off-road).

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