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    How difficult is fusion brain to use?

    I've been reading on it some and it seems like its rather complicated. It appealed to me because I wanted to have my HVAC controls on a touchscreen and it could be used for engine diagnositcs, but what all is involved in making that happen, and can the new version of fusion brain run independently or is it still reliant on another main pc?

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    It is complicated, but only to the extent it needs to be.

    What I mean by that is that it's very flexible and powerful. Tools like Photoshop are intimidating as well, but must be in order to be so useful.

    The upside is that we will try to help you. HVAC control is possible, however it's going to take some serious effort on the end user's part.

    THe new version will be able to run independently for some tasks... not sure how it'd help your HVAC system to run independently though.

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    The hardware side (wiring) is pretty easy. The hardest part I think is the software part of it.

    I agree, you can do some amazing things in Photoshop, you just have to play with it and try to learn it. You definetly need it to create some cool graphics.

    I would also have to say the funnest part is creating your images (graphics) on photoshop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenman100 View Post
    It is complicated, but only to the extent it needs to be.

    What I mean by that is that it's very flexible and powerful. Tools like Photoshop are intimidating as well, but must be in order to be so useful.

    The upside is that we will try to help you. HVAC control is possible, however it's going to take some serious effort on the end user's part.

    THe new version will be able to run independently for some tasks... not sure how it'd help your HVAC system to run independently though.
    I guess the running independently isnt a super huge deal. What all would be involved to make the Hvac system work on its own touchscreen and to create the actual application which the controls are within. I'm pretty solid on the sensors, as that is pretty self explanitory,i hope. lol On the plus side I am pretty decent with imaging! Yay!

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    ok, sensors is a good start. There are a few you will need. Now outputs is another thing. You have to determine the best method to interface the actuators in your vehicle. I don't have anything on 94 mustangs with me at the moment, but mode actuators are probably either going to be vac or servomotor. if they are vac, it's going to be pretty easy: determine which actuators are actuated for each mode, make a table and...
    Fan control can be done by using a few relay outputs of the brain to short across each section of the fan speed resistor. a couple of pressure switches for AC can either be inputs to the brain, but most likely those pressure switches are inputs already to your bcm and you can just have a single output to the BCM and not the AC compressor directly. It depends on your setup. so a bit of work to figure that kind of stuff out but it's pretty straight forward. The hardest part of the hardware thing will be controlling temperature, it is almost certainly a servomotor in your car, but finding out which of the few methods of controlling that servo is key. some servos just take a voltage to go up, another to go down, and even another to hold. A feedback pot on the servo tells systems when to hold, etc. That would be an ideal situation, as it requires no analog output charactaristics. But there are several other types to look out for that do require analog output. You could always just use another servo that has those charactaristics, but I'm into finding a way to control what's there. I prefer usually to avoid mechanical hacking. I'm just breezing over things here though.

    AND THEN!!!!!

    it's software. and it's not that bad. especially now. get your list of inputs and outputs together and set them aside. get busy on PS and make a picture (preferably one made of several layers of PNG pics. And make your controls what you want:

    How do you want to control fan speed?
    How do you want to control temperature?
    How do you want to change modes (floor,bi,panel,def,recirc, etc)?
    Do you want automatic control?

    ask yourself these things when drawing up your pretty picture. Take a peek at my unfinished modernity skin to kind of get what I'm talking about.

    Automagic control is not as easy as it looks, but it is all logic, and now very possible.

    Now with your picture you are going to have buttons, indicators, etc. You can build all of those in PS, put them in a file, and then run the new configurator.

    Start a graphics page....actually, you should define inputs and outputs, and some variables for each first. turn those inputs into Farenheight numbers(here's how.) and then make those numbers.

    make outputs dependant on variables, change the variables with buttons, then in the logic, do some if Varible = X, turn output A on.

    it's kind of like that, and it with the new configurator, you don't have to learn too much code.

    There is a learning curve, and it takes some time.

    I hope that gave a bit of a feel for how easy it is.

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    I always like to look at new projects as a way to learn things and a lot of the things involved in this project aren't too familiar to me, but at least there are some nice people here on the forums to help out and im glad the software gets me away from writing code because I was not looking forward to havin to learn that. I have a good friend who will probably be able to give me some guidance as well. Is there anyone on the forums who has completed a touchscreen HVAC project using fusion brain? What are some really unique things that have been done with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 94gt View Post
    Is there anyone on the forums who has completed a touchscreen HVAC project using fusion brain? What are some really unique things that have been done with it?
    I don't think anyone but greenman100 has fully controlled his automotive HVAC system with a brain, and if they have, they weren't public with it, I don't think. He did it with a more original version of the control software. I don't think he did a write up on it though.

    As for original, someone did a really cool christmas light show using their car, it was set to music (like the infamous front yard you-tube light show) and he also put it on you tube. That was with the brain.

    And someone else just posted that he had successfully used a brain to drive a tractor remotely, utilizing GPS.

    Both are in some threads, if you look around in this subforum.

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    Like i just said in another thread, the possibilities! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by h3rk View Post
    I don't think anyone but greenman100 has fully controlled his automotive HVAC system with a brain, and if they have, they weren't public with it, I don't think. He did it with a more original version of the control software. I don't think he did a write up on it though.
    Mine actually just controls the blower. The heat flap and defrost flaps are still controled manually.

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    What all have you done with it Greenman, being the creator and all...

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