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Thread: SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS or 1616M for S/PDIF *ONLY*?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    considering you've done nothing but set xo points you can get the same sound using a much cheaper product and running the speakers passive instead of active.



    I don't doubt that you think it sounds incredible, what I'm getting at is that ignorance is bliss. If you don't even have any EQing done you're really flying blind. Only once you have a proper FULL tune on the car will you really appreciate it. To spend all of that money on only utilize one of the six functions on that thing is completely asinine IMHO.




    http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/car-...-properly.html




    I had them disabled because I was and am using the full processing abilities of the 701. I wouldn't dare do otherwise when competing unless I were doing ALL tuning on the computer.



    Winamp in the car because it's easier to use on a TS.



    I run bit perfect...if you're asking about re-sampling then you're probably not running bit perfect in your car...if you were truly concerned with getting the absolute best quality audio possible, you would NOT re-sample.

    I think you're just a bit confused on all of this SQ stuff, which is rather easy to be since there's so much information out there.

    I'd recommend researching Bit-perfect (I've written a WIKI article on it, written a FAQ in the nav-bar and written a FAQ in here about it).

    I'd recommend reading the thread I posted above in post 4. I'm not sure why you keep resisting actually using that $700 processor that you bought ($300-$400 if you went the cheap route and went eBay or the like). If you wanted to throw away money, I would have gladly taken a donation. If you really are as concerned with sound quality as you're pretending to be you would learn to tune on the 701. Make changes and write down your changes...you can't blow it up. Just about anyone who has done this for a decent amount of time and been really serious with it will tell you the same thing. You CANNOT have a great sounding car without tuning it....and messing with a bass and treble knob is NOT tuning...

    Look, if you absolutely don't want to use that 701 then I'm at a loss. I've been competing in car audio for over 9 years now, only 3+ years in SQ, but my husband and I have amassed 2 world titles and a NUMBER of other awards in competition. I absolutely am at a loss as to why you would want the best sound possible but wouldn't use the tools you're given. I've seen a TON of people use that 701 to it's full abilities and walk away with award after award after award...we've been running it in the car for 2 SQ seasons...both of which we walked away with at least one first place for the finals. If you wanted to do ALL tuning on the PC then we're in an entirely different ball game, but then you wouldn't have a 701 and you wouldn't be interested in bass and treble adjustments on the sound card.
    Red, your post has given me the kick in the butt I needed to get myself in gear! I am no longer afraid to experiment on my own, and I WILL learn how to use the 701! I will read the manual and the threads here several times, and will take your advice about writing down any changes I've made in the EQs.

    This is a very stupid question but what exactly is an "X-Over"? What does this mean in lamens terms? Helping me understand what this does to the sound/signal, will help me get an idea of how to approach altering that part of the unit. No WAY am I just gonna sit back and not try and learn it myself. The place where I bought it from(not the same installer shop) may also know a thing or two about tuning it as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    I believe they call it bit-accurate. It's in a tab all on it's own I believe.

    That is absolutely correct. Messed around with it some more last night and ticked the bit-accurate box, then enabled kernal streaming in foobar. Disabled resampling as well. No software volume or EQ and guess what? Sounds even better! I will leave it this way while I try and get to know the 701 a bit more. This is the way to go right?

    Anyway thanks for encouraging me to step up to the plate and get onto learning how to tune the 701.

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    yeup. you want the computer to not affect the bit stream at all. By running truely bit-perfect you're not letting windows touch the bit stream other than sending it along it's way.

    Then do all tuning through the Alpine.

    This is a pretty good definition of a crossover: http://www.humanspeakers.com/whatis/xver.htm

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    yeup. you want the computer to not affect the bit stream at all. By running truely bit-perfect you're not letting windows touch the bit stream other than sending it along it's way.

    Then do all tuning through the Alpine.

    This is a pretty good definition of a crossover: http://www.humanspeakers.com/whatis/xver.htm

    Good luck!


    Thanks! Quick Q....

    While in the Creative Audio Console settings, why is it that I am not noticing any audible difference between "User internal speaker decoder" and "Use S/PDIF Passthru"? I switch back and forth while the music is playing and both foobar and winamp seem to ignore the switch. This is happenig with both bit-accurate on AND off. Is the S/PDIF pass-thru relevant only to 5.1 DD content?

    Also, I haven't tried it yet, but did you have any problems playing 5.1 DVDs from your Sound Blaster card? Will my 701 automatically decode 5.1 dvds on the fly, as long as it sees the S/PDIF signal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    yeup. you want the computer to not affect the bit stream at all. By running truely bit-perfect you're not letting windows touch the bit stream other than sending it along it's way.

    Then do all tuning through the Alpine.
    I have a H700 and would want to use my AC97 onboard SPDIF and hook up to the processor using optical cable.

    Will bit-perfect help if i use my CarPC only for mp3 playback? If i need to playback CD, i will use a standalone CD player with optical out to connect to the H700.

    I do have an Audigy 2 ZS, but it wont be easy to squeeze a PCI card into a small casing. What will be the advantage of using Audigy 2 over onboard SPDIF for MP3 playback only?

    thanks

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    AC'97 cannot run bit-perfect.

    Check out the wiki and search for bit-perfect, you'll find the article there.

    The audigy 2 is capable of bit-perfect. Remember, just because it's optical doesn't mean it's capable of bit-perfect.

    as to the questions regarding 5.1...I don't know, haven't really tried for 5.1 in the car as I don't care for it in the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    The audigy 2 is capable of bit-perfect. Remember, just because it's optical doesn't mean it's capable of bit-perfect.
    i have read the wiki and FAQ, and i understand that AC97 does not support bit-perfect. However, I do have an Audigy 2 ZS at home and i am wondering if bit-perfect is ONLY useful for playing back of audio CD.

    For me, CarPC will be used for playing back of MP3 only? does bit-perfect helps?

    thanks

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    isamu - I would really recomend picking up the October 2007 (current) issue of Car Audio & Electronics and flipping to the article written by Mark Eldridge: Basic Crossover Selection and Adjustments.

    It's a pretty basic article that should answer a lot of your questions.

    I still feel that you should be using the Alpine and not the crappy software crossovers built into the drivers.

    kwchan - using bit-perfect will only ensure that the bit stream is perfect off of the hard drive in your case. However, if you're playing MP3s you're not going to be overly concerned with the greatest SQ possible. I'd focus your efforts in proper tuning via EQ and crossover points before I'd focus on bit-perfect. If you're going to be playing CDs as well, then yes, I'd look further into bit-perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    isamu - I would really recomend picking up the October 2007 (current) issue of Car Audio & Electronics and flipping to the article written by Mark Eldridge: Basic Crossover Selection and Adjustments.

    It's a pretty basic article that should answer a lot of your questions.

    I still feel that you should be using the Alpine and not the crappy software crossovers built into the drivers.
    Car Audio & Electronics huh? OK cool, I'm gonna look for it at the news rack when I get a chance. Thanks for the heads up

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    Do any you guys who are using a digital out signal from your soundcard into the H701, notice the imperfections of mp3s? Because the signal is so PURE now, it seems my trance mixes, which were recorded directly from vinyl into the DJ's PC at 320kbps mp3 format, sound kinda harsh or bright....just a bit. What do you guys think? A result caused by recording off vinyl? Or caused by recording in mp3 format, or both? The wav files, especially studio albums that were remastered, sound smooth as silk.

    Do you think because I am now using the digital out into the 701 and because the signal is so pure, that I am now in a situation where the recorded source REALLY matters more than it did before? Does a straight, clean digital out signal to the 701 amplify the case of "garbage in/garbage out"?

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    no matter what, even at 320 there's going to be imperfections...you can notice that even without using a digital output to a 701...that's just the nature of MP3s.

    Any time you compress the file you're going to loose quality, no matter if it's MP3, wav, etc.

    Wav is better thab MP3, ACC is better than mp3...etc.

    The deal is, and it's something we've been dealing with for quite some time now, you are starting to notice things you never noticed before. Many times in our case, it's the poor quality of the source.

    On both the IASCA and USACi disc there are areas of certain songs where you can tell there are imperfections in the source. You only learn this after spending hours and hours tuning or after speaking with someone who has already discovered it.

    The digital signal doesn't amplify anything, it's just that you've trained yourself to start to notice these things.
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