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    I have a H701 and if you spend the time to set all of your setting and get it right it's a great peice. If you have access to an RTA maching you can really get it set right. One thing that i have learned thou over the years of car audio and tunning cars EVERYONE has a different sound that they hear. You will never be able to make everyone happy the trick is to tune the car or truck to what you like. The nice thing on the Alpine H701 is that you can make different setting for every type of music if you like rap,rock,country,jazz all of it. Please read up on the Apline and understand it yes its a ***** i wont lie to yea but once you figure ie out you are gold. Just my thinking on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    isamu - I would really recomend picking up the October 2007 (current) issue of Car Audio & Electronics and flipping to the article written by Mark Eldridge: Basic Crossover Selection and Adjustments.

    Myself and another IASCA judge your the first two judges to do Marks Sirius race car that he built. He just got it done for the NOPI show here in denver and we got to Judge it. I just had to let you know.

    It's a pretty basic article that should answer a lot of your questions.

    I still feel that you should be using the Alpine and not the crappy software crossovers built into the drivers.
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! Very true let the Alpine do all the work thats why we spent so much money on the dam thing


    kwchan - using bit-perfect will only ensure that the bit stream is perfect off of the hard drive in your case. However, if you're playing MP3s you're not going to be overly concerned with the greatest SQ possible. I'd focus your efforts in proper tuning via EQ and crossover points before I'd focus on bit-perfect. If you're going to be playing CDs as well, then yes, I'd look further into bit-perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 View Post
    no matter what, even at 320 there's going to be imperfections...you can notice that even without using a digital output to a 701...that's just the nature of MP3s.

    Any time you compress the file you're going to loose quality, no matter if it's MP3, wav, etc.

    Wav is better thab MP3, ACC is better than mp3...etc.

    The deal is, and it's something we've been dealing with for quite some time now, you are starting to notice things you never noticed before. Many times in our case, it's the poor quality of the source.

    On both the IASCA and USACi disc there are areas of certain songs where you can tell there are imperfections in the source. You only learn this after spending hours and hours tuning or after speaking with someone who has already discovered it.

    The digital signal doesn't amplify anything, it's just that you've trained yourself to start to notice these things.

    Quote Originally Posted by slinkytoy View Post
    I have a H701 and if you spend the time to set all of your setting and get it right it's a great peice. If you have access to an RTA maching you can really get it set right. One thing that i have learned thou over the years of car audio and tunning cars EVERYONE has a different sound that they hear. You will never be able to make everyone happy the trick is to tune the car or truck to what you like. The nice thing on the Alpine H701 is that you can make different setting for every type of music if you like rap,rock,country,jazz all of it. Please read up on the Apline and understand it yes its a ***** i wont lie to yea but once you figure ie out you are gold. Just my thinking on it.

    Good posts guys. Yeah, it's a shame a lot of DJ's still upload their mixes in mp3 format. I actually contacted a couple of them and asked if they could send me the same mix in uncompressed wav format, and they said they couldn't because they recorded it ORGINALLY in 320kbps mp3 directly from their turntable into the PC. I was like whaaah??? You have these great vinyl records and your mixes are the bomb, and yet you recorded them in mp3? Unbelievable.


    It's a trip how some mp3s now sound kinda distorted to me, as opposed to wav files. I'm gonna see if I can improve the sound by learning more about the 701 and tweaking the graphical EQ on it when I get some free time.

    What is an RTA machine?

    Red just out of curiousity, what kinda music do you generally listen to?

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    I listen to hard rock/metal.

    RTA: http://www.trueaudio.com/rta_faq1.htm
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    RTA=Real Time Analyzer. You can use them in a home or car to check what the sound wave looks like and to see if you are getting all of the frequencies. Here is a pretty good link to read up on.
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572477
    RedGTiVR6 posted the trueaudio link which is cool this avs link is also in the same link i just posted so you could go right to it.

    Keep in mind if you get your hands on a RTA they are great to mess with. But if want to try to get all of the frequencies to show up you are going to need the right speakers the right power and the right placement. Its a great tool to really understand just how by changing a few things around you can get better sound. I'm a rock/jazz guy so I'm big into Mid Bass sound but wiht my system i can play pretty much anything including nasty rap if i want to. It's just a different setting on my Alpine. Hope that helps yea out.

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    went back to bit perfect and I think I'll stick with it for good now. Started tweaking around with the graphical EQ a bit more and got it to sound much better with no software eq or software bass/treble setting to distract the sound. I noticed I'm getting a more fuller and bassier sound now, now that I've adjusted the sub eq a bit.

    For those of you using the H-701, which MX Expander setting are you using? Right now I've got it on CD-2.

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    None - don't use the media expander.

    Just because the setting is there doesn't mean you MUST use it. Just because a feature is there, doesn't mean you MUST use it.
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    Hi guys,

    I've been out of the loop for a long time. This question is mainly for the purpose of achieving great audio for my car stereo system.

    So, are the onboard audio chips from Realtek, such as the ACL887 capable of delivering bit perfect audio? Is bit perfect audio even relevant anymore? Or is there a new type of audio signal that foobar can deliver in Windows 7 that's even cleaner/better?

    I am running a TOSLINK S/PDIF cable directly to the Alpine DSP that in turn decodes the signal.

    Am I fine using the on board audio or do you suggest purchasing one of the newer Sound Blaster cards? Keep in mind I want bit perfect audio no matter what.

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