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    MSI Fuzzy 945GM1 MB dead?

    Switched from a Jetway J9F2 to an MSI 945GM1. The whole host of problems I had with the Jetway (not recognizing video, not starting up, etc) went away.

    For about a month the MSI booted perfect, everything worked as it should (hibernated, resumed, worked well).

    Using the car the other day, shut it off, when I came back and started car, stuck on NAV screen and no response (T/s, keyboard or mouse). Reboot = black screen with mouse cursor, reboot ==> nothing, no video.

    Bring it inside house, hook up to brick PSU and CRT, no video (no post, no beeps, fan spins up and stays runnig, no lights on keyboard). Pull HD cable (to see if it posts with the error), same thing. Pull Memory, same thing. Put meter on PSU, 12V and 5V in and out, lights normal on PSU. Fans (CPU, and 2 case fans) all spinning. Not sure if HD are spinning up (cant feel anything with fans running). Tried regular CRT on VGA and tried LCD on DVI, no video. So where are now is, it starts when power hits the white line on PSU, fans spin up but nothing else happens (no beeps, no post on video, no apparent HD activity, no keyboard lights) fans stay running like they used to.

    Im thinking the MB is fried.

    Anyone have problems with this MB? Do they generaly last well?

    Not that I think it will help, but I know someone is gonna ask so : CoreDuo, 2 gigs ram, 40gig system HD, M3 ATX PSU, WIn XP SP3 (full), using onboard video and sound. Xenarc IDT 700 (running off of PSU), dedicated 20A line into psu and ground is through OEM groundpack to frame. Front end = Centrafuse.

    The Jetway was a capeable board but it didnt work out for me (not reliable), its all in my post history. Went through two of those, just wanted a reliable MB. Switched over to the MSI.

    I will appreciate any comments on the MSI boards expected longevity or problems others have had with it.

    Anyone know the most popular MB used here? or a clear winner as far as reliability is concerned in the performance level appropriate for the hardware I outlined above?
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    Got my fuzzy before yours (by a bit ) and it works fine.

    It sounds like it is dead. Sounds like it got fried. Is it fused, did you get a battery jump or anything unusual?
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    I wonder if your M3 power supply is frying the motherboards.

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    Yup, red line is fused at the passgener footwell block.
    And, I did have a bunch of problems with the previous board that I thought may have been PSU related, but when I switched to the GM1 they all went away, the PSU acted like it was supposed to (started properly, shut down properly). I checked the voltage (?) on the lines into and out of the PSU, both were the 12V and 5V they should have been.
    Nothing up with the car, no battery problems, no drain or jumping of the vehicle. I keep it on an intelligent charger when parked in the garage (just the nature of the type of battery we use in the C5 Corvette, AGM so needs to be on a battery maintainer if left for long periods, which btw mine never is, I use it almost every day).

    What can I do. I didnt build this system, I bought it as a system. The vendor has been good with support (replaced the first Jetway board on his dime, and I only paid the difference when I requested to switch over to the MSI). If it winds up being the PSU thats been frying the boards, I did ask that it be replaced, they say the PSU is working as it should.

    Just a little annoying, have the system for seven months and still having problems. I understand the nature of the hobby, and dont expect a plug and play experience. I wouldnt mind having to tweak things to get them to work, but there is not much you can do with a pc that wont boot or the last abortion (the Jetway), which would give you video "when it felt like it".

    They are talking to MSI Tech Support, whatever (I doubt there is gonna be some "reset the jumper and everything wakes up peachey keen" type of thing, wish he would just replace the board).

    So, no clear winner on a reliable MB that uses a core duo 1.6 w 2 gigs huh?

    Someone should do a poll "What MB are you useing?". Im sure everyone who has a system that works in their car will say "I use this one and it works great" but what would be more valuable is just an empirical number of the MB's being used and how many of each specific type. That data would at least show if there are any clear favorites. If you find that 50 or 60% use a certain model, you can probably be assured it is pretty reliable.
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    Personally I think a core duo 1.6 is overkill for a carpc. I've been very happy with the cheapy ($75) D201GLY2A and D945GCLF motherboards with integrated CPU -- both come with Intel 3 year warranty. Recently upgraded to the D945GCLF and with the cpu load averaging 9-12%, I don't see a reason to get anything faster. What's the point of getting the cpu load down to 1% at the expense of more heat, cost, and possibly more wear and tear at the CPU/motherboard from excessive heat. Of course there will always be exceptions where someone needs to run a killer app in their car (ie. CAD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStealth View Post
    Personally I think a core duo 1.6 is overkill for a carpc. I've been very happy with the cheapy ($75) D201GLY2A and D945GCLF motherboards with integrated CPU -- both come with Intel 3 year warranty. Recently upgraded to the D945GCLF and with the cpu load averaging 9-12%, I don't see a reason to get anything faster. What's the point of getting the cpu load down to 1% at the expense of more heat, cost, and possibly more wear and tear at the CPU/motherboard from excessive heat. Of course there will always be exceptions where someone needs to run a killer app in their car (ie. CAD).
    Agree 100%. But I do run CAD and photoshop and CorelDraw and others


    But anyways, sounds like the board is fried, really no way to tell how. What sort of case is this in? Have you measured the temps?
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    I hear ya, about not going overkill for a car pc. Part of the problem with that is that the stock, always given, never changes answer here to the question "what type of pc do I need for a car pc" is always given as "it depends on what you want it to do" :-)

    Havent tried a lower powered processor, have no idea if it will run nav, and play music, and do nice visual effects (just eye candy stuff, cant help it, I like that type of thing) at the same time, but Im fairly familiar with desktop processors and MB's and what they are capeable of, and in that light, a CoreDuo mobile processor seemed like a "middle" type processor.

    Plus, Im not a pro, but I have been around this thing since before "it" (a personal pc) was a hobby, and one thing that has pretty much held true is that while you are not always better served by buying the latest, fastest pc hardware you can get your hands on, you are almost always poorly served by buying the slowest, cheapest hardware you can get your hands on. Even when careful, you often find yourself with an inexpensive system (good) that does what you want it to do (good) for a very short time, until you see what others are doing and you realize its not possible with your current system (not so good).

    I may eventually want to run a few alternate displays around the car, or control some lighting (like I said, just eye candy stuff), no idea.

    But as I said, I absolutely hear ya. My "forward looking" pc is about as useful as teats on a bull elephant right now, while the "less capeable" ones are happily playing music and such, so go figure. If this doesnt get resolved, and I cant get the answer Im looking for here (which is the most popular MB, by number of units used here or elsewhere) I may have to look "down" as opposed to "up" for my next MB (of course, thats gonna be hard, without the numbers).




    Nope, havent measured the temps. Not sure what I have to do that with, other than the bios temp reading......hey wait a minute....cant get to those if the damn thing wont boot :-))) (<==veiled sarcasm offered free of charge)(although I do appreciate the help).


    Spoke to the vendor today, he is waiting for MSI to get back to him . . .I checked my crystal ball, it portends that we are likely to have to get a replacement board (dont know why we couldnt do that Friday . . .) Oh well.'

    Thanks again guys.
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    I mean the temps while it worked. If you shoved this system in a small space, it has been the summer, it could have baked to death.

    Also you said you have had this for 7 months and you are contacting the vendor for a replacement? I sure hope you paid for an extra warranty. Because I feel sorry for whoever sold it. replaced the jetway, replaced it with a better board, and now replaced again all at his cost?! Wow.
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    Yup, their customer service is why I went with them :-)

    I was concerned about heat also, but I did drive down to the vendor (150 miles) and have him look at my mounting and power/ground hookup. Says it looks fine.

    But I do need to say that 1) I didnt hobble together a system myself, I paid for a complete system from a vendor , 2) It has not worked reliably for the seven months and 3) All of the problems have been hardware related.

    Its all in my post history.

    I appreciate their willingness to work with a customer to get the system to work as advertised, but I dont think Im out of line for asking that it work as advertised.

    Also, if the MSI is a "better board" I dont know why we didnt use it in the first place, and I did pay for that upgrade when it was put in.

    So Im pretty sure the door has swung both ways.

    The case has two 40mm fans, when/if this ever gets resolved Im thinking about swapping in one larger fan (havent made any hardware changes to the system due to the problems, cant go changing things then complain when it doesnt work).
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