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    That puts this setup at the same price point as the complete setup, but with the better case.
    Ah, but "better" is relative in this case (pun intended). I'm after the smallest possible case for a mini-itx, and the "mini-box" will be exactly what the doctor ordered.

    I'm hoping to fit Alok's TPMS, as well as my G3 USB WAN card too. Let's see, but I think it will be possible.
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    Good find but to me it is an overkill for car usage - probably worth for HTPC.

    There are nice tablet devices with huge storage available now which can also be used outside the car.

    See my post in
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    Ah, but "better" is relative in this case (pun intended). I'm after the smallest possible case for a mini-itx, and the "mini-box" will be exactly what the doctor ordered.

    I'm hoping to fit Alok's TPMS, as well as my G3 USB WAN card too. Let's see, but I think it will be possible.
    Agreed that "best" is subjective.

    A few points:

    1 - The price of the case you want is $30 less from Logic Supply, so that brings the price point back down. Not that it matters, as it doesn't work for you, being in Australia.

    2 - The dimensions of the Voom case are 8.50" x 2.75" x 10.25". The M350 is 7.6" x 2.5" x 8.3". That's a pretty big difference in size.

    3 - The PicoPSU they supply (the 150w version) requires regulated 12v. If this system is for vehicle use (I assume it is, since that's the whole focus of these forums), then the PicoPSU will require a 12v regulator between it and the vehicle's electrical system.
    The PicoPSU also has no built-in startup/shutdown controller, so that's something else to consider.
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    Heya DP, good points you have there, and certainly something the average Joe needs to consider (no disrespect intended).

    As mentioned, I need the smallest case I could get - this one, with the added bonus of being extremely well ventilated, suits my needs.

    Again, with me in posession of a P2140 Carnetix, and a M2-ATX, I have the option of either driving the PicoPSU from the P2140, or, discarding the PicoPSU, and using the M2-ATX to act as PSU/Shutdown controller.

    But, you observation is wrt the PSU is a good one and requires consideration
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    Heya Guys,
    I've received this setup, and am pretty pleased overall.

    With a simple, general WinXP SP3 install, zero tweaks applied, it will sit on the desktop (from coldstart), all services loaded in 29-30 seconds. One has to be happy with that, and with tweaking, I should get it comfortably down to low 20's.

    Bear in mind this is on a 120gb, 7200rpm Seagate 2.5" drive, so, there are even more gains for SSD's. If I can have a full, non-nLited setup, and all default services running at 29seconds at this point in time, there's hope.

    Zotac WiFi board, with E7500 (2.93gig) cpu, actually is past POST within 5-6 seconds, and Windows Boot screen is up around the 9second mark - so, with a bit of OS tweaking, we may well hit below 20 seconds on a SSD, with a full OS.

    I will write a full review withing the next 2-3 weeks, and post a linkie.

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    MrBean
    ps: There's a fair bit of space behind the frontcover, enough so that I can fit alok's TPMS, as well as my CSR Bluetooth Modem, without any hassles. That allow the 6 rear USB ports to be utilized for OBDII dongle, and whatever else you want on there Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    Zotac WiFi board, with E7500 (2.93gig) cpu, actually is past POST within 5-6 seconds, and Windows Boot screen is up around the 9second mark - so, with a bit of OS tweaking, we may well hit below 20 seconds on a SSD, with a full OS.
    Which motherboard did this come with? I assume the Zotac GF9300-D-E? How did you manage to get a 5-6 POST as I have this motherboard and with everything off in the BIOS, all settings/timings set manually, only 1 2GB stick of ram, and an E8400 (tried E7200 also) with stick heatsink/fan, my system doesn't get past POST for 18-20 seconds. This is outputting video via hdmi with the onboard set at manual clock speeds and stock 256MB shared memory. Adding hard drives, dvd drive, addon videocard, second stick of ram does not change the POST times. Even turning USB off completely doesn't change the POST speed. Any ideas or how do you have your BIOS/system configured? Which BIOS version does your board have? I'm about ready to buy a different board with a X4500 video chipset instead just to get a faster POST time (Foxconn).

    Thank you for any input.

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    Hello Seek,
    Yep, that's the same one.

    With a cold boot, the system is fully loaded, on XP Desktop (standard install) in 23-25 seconds.

    Bios POST varies around 9seconds the way I have it now, and all good.

    I'm booting of the default analog VGA port, and have basically everything that's not required, disabled, ie just my SSD drive set to auto - rest of IDE devices disabled, same for serial ports, et al.

    I'm out for a bit this arvo, but will come capture some info when I'm ack, so you can try my settings - I have 4 gis of ram, Intel SSD, all USB ports populated, same as would be for the car.

    I also own a Commell LS-373, with 2.13gig Penryn mobile cpu, 2 gigs ram, another Intel SSD, and this one is pretty quick with W7 - 25-26 seconds, hourglass disappeared, all ready.

    Bios on this one (with Intel X4500 GFX) is about 6 seconds on average too.....

    So, I'm pretty happy with both these boards.

    My other Commell though, a LV-677 with T7200 CPU, has a snail for a bios - something like 15-18 seconds too
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    Yeah, the biggest problem I have is POST speeds and cannot figure out why, if you are saying your POST is quicker. I measure from Power button on until the BIOS screens go away completely - when it is flashing to the Windows loading screen.

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    Heya Mate,
    I did an exact test tonight:

    1) From the moment pushing the on-button, until Windows startup screen appears, 14 seconds.

    2) From time to frist POST screen displayed, to Windows startup screen, 10 seconds.

    3) From coldstart to fully loaded OS, 23-24 seconds - default XP install, no tweaking, Intel X25-M G2 80gig SSD.

    4) From first XP startup screen, to fully loaded OS, 8-9 seconds.

    STR is very quick, about 1 second to playing music in CF30, maybe 2-4 seconds to have SatNav updating in CF.

    It seems you're down on POST by around 5-6 seconds, so realistically all you could expect from coldboot is around 30-33 seconds?

    Not to bad, but not that quick either.
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    Here's what I get with the D-E, loading Windows 7 x64 - Entire OS is exactly 7GB with page file moved to a platter hard drive and hibernation turned off. Drive is a Kingston 40GB (Intel G2) that has the same random read speeds as the 80/160GB Intels, a little lower sequential reads, lower sequential and 512KB random writes than the Intel branded ones but the same 4k random writes. Overall, I have not noticed a difference in loading performance between an Intel 80GB G2 and the Kingston-branded 40GB G2 drives and will be selling the Intel one to recoup some money. This is with an E8400, 2x2GB DDR2-800 memory sticks, the Kingston SSD and a secondary Scorpio 640GB HDD and everything else onboard. I tried using it with an HD4850 videocard but POST times were unchanged.

    Power on to first POST screen - 6
    First POST screen to Windows loading screen - 12
    Windows Loading screen to Desktop - 14
    Entire BOOT to desktop with no hard drive activity - 32 seconds

    Windows power button to off - 4

    I'm curious how people are getting a 10 second Windows 7 boot as I have my SSD properly aligned and everything, running an E8400 processor, so it should boot quicker than this 14 seconds. Perhaps I should try with the page file off and less memory in the system though.

    You should do some tweaks if you're using XP as XP does not handle SSD's well at all. I couldn't stand XP Tablet Edition with my UMPC as its touch screen controls are far behind those available in Vista and 7. It is quicker at booting though. Also keep in mind Intel states some guarantee of 100GB a day for 5 years but this is only for overwriting the entire drive. If you fill up, say, 70GB of your 74.4 formatted capacity, that last 4GB will be overwritten much more often and wear out the NAND cells long before the rest of the drive is worn out. I recommend moving all temporary, internet cache, page, log, etc files off to a separate drive but that's just me and my paranoia I figure things that need to LOAD quickly don't need to write all that often and should have priority of residing on the SSD over other files such as media and GPS map files.

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