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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    I've been consistently disappointed with innovation of technology in the car precisely because it is usually about building a proprietary in car service on either a subscription model or a device basis or worse, both.

    This focus on the device is foolish. The future is in customizable user experiences. The problem is that innovation takes place when users can....well, innovate. Not work within the proprietary confines of a manufacturer's network or company's device.
    [sarcasm] but wouldn't it be abosutely horrific to have a chevy and a ford in your garage, and be able to setup the OEM radio screen interface on both the same? [/sarcasm]

    thats is just it-- no company wants to work together, they all want to come up with their own solution for things, and it just ends up screwing the consumer...

    imo, companies(both OE's and aftermarket) are making leaps and bounds, but it seems that each company is leaping and bounding in different directions, making every companies tech drastically different, and even harder for consumers to pickup and use... it used to be that you never even needed a manual to change the settings on OE, or aftermarket devices, everything was mostly where it would reasonably be placed, either in the gui, or in the physical buttons. Now, you almost need the manual just to turn the device on...

    but, it comes down to what should be standard-- who should set that standard, who is going to follow it, and who is going to take the time to make sure that the standard won't limit new technology?

    sorry, /rant

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    I am feeling some "We are the world" chant coming...

    I think it will happen to where it is standardized. I envision nav/gps systems being standard. So much so that it is as much an additional feature as seatbelts are. Hardware wise they will probably all use ARM/snapdragon/x86 processors which linux can run off of. People like us will move into software modding mostly and get it exactly as we want, some will take notice and eventually there will be a firmware update that will replace whatever OEM software with some hacked linux version that works much better.

    Sort of like how people that dont realize the optical drive isnt a cupholder can burn a DVD, put it in there Lexus/Toyota and change the nav software with a key combo.

    Mainstream I dont think it is going to happen, and I think above is the best we are going to see for a long time.
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    any hints from lilliput about hdmi/dvi touchscreens?
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    Oh we of such little faith....

    ...for today I saw innovation I can believe in!

    I think we can all agree that the biggest problem facing car owners today in America is the way their car sounds. In the case of electric cars, there is none. In the case of most Fords, they just sound like crap.

    But those clever guys at Visteon have met the challenge head on with the 7.1 Dynamic sound system. This is connected to the CAN bus and has up to 4 microphones which capture and analyze the ambient noise and engine noise in the car interior. Using sophisticated algorithms, a mixture of white noise cancellation and synthesized engine sounds are introduced into the sound system to make it sound like anything you want.

    You want your Focus to sound like a Ferrari (on the inside)....no problem. Your new Chevy Volt a tad too quiet? Now it sounds like a Ford Powerstroke diesel.

    Genius I say...simply genius.

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    On a more serious and positive note, the folks at Visteon demoed a number of aftermarket head units, infotainment units (read carPC) and instrument clusters all with at least some direct access to the CAN/OBD bus. Yes, that means fully integrated instrumentation, mileage, HVAC and all the usual media and nav control.

    There were a couple of systems running Linux from WinRiver (an Intel company), a couple running XP and my own personal favorite, Centrafuse 3.0 running on WinCE in dual screen mode.

    All of this is targeted at OEMs, so what the final product might look like is pretty up in the air. But I heard at least one Visteon spokesman describe the abilty of user to re-skin or modifiy layouts as a core feature. Who knows?

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    Any news on Tablet PCs? I'd like to see one with a convertible e-ink screen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
    On a more serious and positive note, the folks at Visteon demoed a number of aftermarket head units, infotainment units (read carPC) and instrument clusters all with at least some direct access to the CAN/OBD bus. Yes, that means fully integrated instrumentation, mileage, HVAC and all the usual media and nav control.

    There were a couple of systems running Linux from WinRiver (an Intel company), a couple running XP and my own personal favorite, Centrafuse 3.0 running on WinCE in dual screen mode.

    All of this is targeted at OEMs, so what the final product might look like is pretty up in the air. But I heard at least one Visteon spokesman describe the abilty of user to re-skin or modifiy layouts as a core feature. Who knows?

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    I think you mean windriver. Yeah, intel bought them about a year ago? They are making the current IVI software based on Moblin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    I think you mean windriver. Yeah, intel bought them about a year ago? They are making the current IVI software based on Moblin.
    Yep, that would be the guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    Any news on Tablet PCs? I'd like to see one with a convertible e-ink screen...
    There's quite a bit of tablet coverage - http://www.pcworld.com/article/18628...0_roundup.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    Thanks for posting!

    And I agree I would like to see AVRCP sooner rather than later.

    Anything about opening CAN BUS data for developers (specially electronic/media related stuff?) We should ask for some APIs/message/translations for the ECU/CAN networks that controls audio, HVAC, lights, windows, etc...some day...if we don't ask, they won't even think about it...
    Dash replacements have been brought into play by visteon as mentioned by vegasguy....as far as actual CAN decoding thats going to remain information manufacturers charge for for the foreseeable future.

    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    any hints from lilliput about hdmi/dvi touchscreens?
    I thought I remembered seeing a DVI touchscreen but I will double check tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
    On a more serious and positive note, the folks at Visteon demoed a number of aftermarket head units, infotainment units (read carPC) and instrument clusters all with at least some direct access to the CAN/OBD bus. Yes, that means fully integrated instrumentation, mileage, HVAC and all the usual media and nav control.

    There were a couple of systems running Linux from WinRiver (an Intel company), a couple running XP and my own personal favorite, Centrafuse 3.0 running on WinCE in dual screen mode.

    All of this is targeted at OEMs, so what the final product might look like is pretty up in the air. But I heard at least one Visteon spokesman describe the abilty of user to re-skin or modifiy layouts as a core feature. Who knows?
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    A few issues here-this coming from my undercover tour of the Visteon booth today....as of right now they are calling it an ms auto based platform not a centrafuse platform (even though centrafuse is running on top of ms auto). According to their sales guy they are targeting high end OEM installs with an estimated MSRP of ~$2000 as a factory option. Currently only 2 screens are supported but plans are in the works for up to 6. Bluetooth handsfree support is available but atm there are no plans for a2dp, avrcp or other bluetooth protocols. Their navigation package is currently undecided although and I quote "when google switches to free maps which should be in the next year or two and open up their street view navigation api they plan on using google for their turn by turn navigation". Ironically I later ate lunch with a google scout who was positive google had no such plans (again a google scout not a representative of the company).

    That said the work they did with both screens in instrument clusters and even a sample sleepy driver detection system were incredible. The sleepy driver detection system (my name for it not theirs) uses a camera in the instrument cluster and some facial recognition software to detect closed eyes and play a loud sound to wake up the driver.
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJxedERhHJw[/media]
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPZpilRjqU[/media]
    Any news on Tablet PCs? I'd like to see one with a convertible e-ink screen...
    Not my area of focus sorry. There certainly were dozens to choose from though, including the new slate PCs.



    A few more things from today:
    If youv'e ever wondered how navteq generates its 3D map data:
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1oHWG8ABTI[/media]

    I also took a look at tom tom's navigation (nominated for cnet best of show-will announce winner tomorrow) which I put in the same embarassing category as magellan and garmin.
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlZwlVq2yJk[/media]

    Kenwoods Navigation - Which was fairly impressive graphically and feature wise but very sluggish and hard to navigate without devoting considerable time to spin one at a time through the menu.
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7DYkEwsg-M[/media]

    And finally to round up the available PND's I stopped by the clarion booth (sorry wasn't allowed video at that time). Feature-wise it was pretty good supporting the full range of bluetooth features, dvd playback and navigation but the interface was terrible. There were more buttons per screen then an airline cockpit which made easy navigation next to impossible. Not to mention multimedia playback support was very limited in the formats department.

    I did come across two little gems though....
    Fulton Innovations makes wireless chargers for the car environment and is attempting to set an industry standard. The technology worked very well and they have an impressive list of sponsors including intel, energizer, toyota and unoffically i have info that they are negotiating with nokia, magellan, garmin and a few other cell phone manufacturers. They are targeting both OEM and aftermarket distributors with the idea of retrofit kits for older cars on the list of possibilities. Unlike some competing standards this system requires no protroding contacts and is safe for magnetic media like credit cards and hard drives.
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR2J2FJfnuw[/media]

    The second one is from a chinese company called nextbase which is marketing a wireless rear seat display.
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2eNJiD5Y4[/media]

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