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    The results is a 15second cold boot which is faster than a lot of people resume from hibernate
    I do 22 seconds cold boot on a default XP install on an Intel X25-M G2......boot-speeds are all relative really, many factors influencing it. I'm sure I could get a nLite'd XP, or better still Embedded XP down to your 15sec mark.....and I resume from hib in about 6-8 seconds, and S3 to full useability in about 2-3 seconds....

    So yeah, a lot going for Windows XP /Win7 too.....

    Oops....sorry for way off-topic, OP - just had to push the Windows "edge" here too, hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleBonker View Post
    To the OP, sorry if I'm taking this way off topic...
    S'all cool. It makes interesting reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    I do 22 seconds cold boot on a default XP install on an Intel X25-M G2......boot-speeds are all relative really, many factors influencing it. I'm sure I could get a nLite'd XP, or better still Embedded XP down to your 15sec mark.....and I resume from hib in about 6-8 seconds, and S3 to full useability in about 2-3 seconds....

    So yeah, a lot going for Windows XP /Win7 too.....

    Oops....sorry for way off-topic, OP - just had to push the Windows "edge" here too, hehe
    Video or it didn't happen.

    I've heard a lot of claims but I've seen nothing yet. I don't doubt that you can do it, i'd just really like to actually *see* it.

    I have an open challenge here, if you want to put your video where your mouth is.

    Back to the topic... I was just trying to point out how SSD's really improve boot as well as a motherboard that doesn't take forever to get to the bootloader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    Video or it didn't happen.
    Them is fighting words. Well, I'd love to compete, but I don't even have the funds to start buying components yet. Hopefully I'll have an entry in as little as a few months time. Based on my prior experience, I'd love to be running some flavor of linux (mostly cause it's free, but the fact that it's fun also adds to that), but I don't think that option offers the level of audio processing that I'm looking for. It looks like I'll be running Win7 with a number of other processes running in the background at boot, so I likely wont have the ideal setup. But we'll see. I love a good challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleBonker View Post
    Them is fighting words. Well, I'd love to compete, but I don't even have the funds to start buying components yet. Hopefully I'll have an entry in as little as a few months time. Based on my prior experience, I'd love to be running some flavor of linux (mostly cause it's free, but the fact that it's fun also adds to that), but I don't think that option offers the level of audio processing that I'm looking for. It looks like I'll be running Win7 with a number of other processes running in the background at boot, so I likely wont have the ideal setup. But we'll see. I love a good challenge.
    maybe i've asked you before, have you heard of JACK? JACK allows you to chain pre/post effect processors up to your audio sinks. Couple that with a low-latency real-time Linux kernel (real-time, low latency is something you don't have on windows kernels) and you can get amazing audio processing using less cpu. JACK is on my list of things to mess around with in Linux, but I've got more pressing issues to solve right now.

    I hope that I do get some response to my open challenge. I think it'll be fun and also push innovation in the booting area. I'm always looking for my system to boot faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    Video or it didn't happen.

    I've heard a lot of claims but I've seen nothing yet. I don't doubt that you can do it, i'd just really like to actually *see* it.

    I have an open challenge here, if you want to put your video where your mouth is.

    Back to the topic... I was just trying to point out how SSD's really improve boot as well as a motherboard that doesn't take forever to get to the bootloader.
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    @Kevin: I was referring to Windows desktop, not Frontend.

    But, I'm beta-testing on CF30 currently, give me a week or so and I shall tweak my Commell LS373 with 2.13gig CPU and X25-M a little and see where it goes - I will post in your thread then

    I know the Win7 unit, even though it has only a 2.13 gig cpu is actually faster at boot than my 2.93 Zotac mini-itx setup, with X25-M and WinXP - yes, I'm fortunate enough to have 2 X25-M's.

    Will get back to you.

    Anyway, I would like to play with your custom LinuxICE setup a little, and see what it's like. Will provide feedback in the related thread.

    Have a good one, talk to you later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    @Kevin: I was referring to Windows desktop, not Frontend.

    But, I'm beta-testing on CF30 currently, give me a week or so and I shall tweak my Commell LS373 with 2.13gig CPU and X25-M a little and see where it goes - I will post in your thread then
    I was referring to POST + OS + Fronted until you are playing music. If you can get 15seconds for the above with CF3, I will wet my pants. CF3 takes about 15seconds just to load itself doesn't it?

    On the other hand, if you have 2 SSD's in a raid 0, you could be awesome! I'd really love to see that kind of speed. Let me know how it goes.

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    @ Kev: Mmm....yeah, I suspected as much.

    The quickest I'm playing music (POST+WinXP+CF30) is at around 32 second mark. Again, I'm sure I can trim down with Embedded to a very decent 22-25 seconds with this, but I doubt quicker - then I'm having all my plugins loading, et al- these do play a role in the speed of CF3, but it ain't nowhere as bad as you would think.

    I really don't want to raid 0 the 2x Intel's, as both these computers have specific functions- the little Commell is a testbed/platform/hardware solution I'm developing to enhance our Industrial Process Control Platform, so I would like to keep it "intact"

    I'm in the process of making it a total passive-cooled (and utterly reliable) hardware solution, as some of our Customers have a need for something like this.

    It has to be compatible with our software platfoms, hence all the testing et al.

    But, as stated, I will anyway play and see where we get at - Iknow for a fact I can resume from Hibernate on XP with my Zotac platform, playing music, in probably 6-8 seconds - but you're talking cold-boot - I won't get there with a standard (even trimmed or embedded XP setup) with CF loading in the background...

    Unless......I use embedded XP, and properly componentize CF for my hardware platform -then I might be competitive.

    What we can do though, is I will run sum ideas by the CF beta team, and see if we can come up with a decent CF30 component - please allow some time for the 3.1 update to be released, and we will take it from there?

    Then, to make things fair, you will have to notify us of how many "plugins" you're running, ie GPS, phone, OBDII et al, so we can trim down to your level, and we can take it from there.

    Just to compare apples to apples - doens't help one system boots in 25sec vs the second system's say 20 seconds, but the first have 5x as many features......you know what I'm getting at.

    Have a good one, I will be downloading ICE2 and playing with it sometime tomorrow - actually looking forward to it, as I've always had my fingers in Linux somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    On the other hand, if you have 2 SSD's in a raid 0, you could be awesome! I'd really love to see that kind of speed. Let me know how it goes.
    My desktop has two OCZ Vertex drives raid 0, but there are a number of issues with this. First, it's a soft raid. I would've gone with a hardware solution, but it was cost prohibitive at the time. Second, TRIM isn't supported for raid at this time (well, last time I checked anyway), so the drives would slow over time (so probably not a good solution for a car pc since you'd have to wipe and start clean frequently to keep performance up). Finally, my desktop is still running Vista (I spend more time in Ubuntu, so it's not worth the price quite yet to upgrade to 7).

    I'm not too concerned with the boot time on my desktop since I don't reboot often. But, the raid 0 speed is crazy as it is. It blows my previous setup of two raptors in raid out of the water. I don't know how easy it will be to implement TRIM on raid 0, so it might not be a viable solution for a while yet.

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