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    Quote Originally Posted by dashboard View Post
    justchat_1, You claim we are lying about the features of the TRUzone... Show this forum how smart you are and prove it!... If you can't then who do you think will have the better foot hold for that lawsuit you so want?? You must want it cause it's not something you throw around for fun...

    Oh I did again read the posted page, for a refresher, and there is one mistake... I'm sorry for that one... wait for it....

    The GPS Viewer was never built... Nope you got me there...

    In place of that we gave the back seat passengers 'FULL ACCESS' to the Drivers GPS, the same GPS screen the Driver has access to, which the Driver can also lock out, by the way. Now the passengers in the rear can enter an address and the Driver can take it back with route in place... Better then yelling out the address just to have the Driver who can't enter anything while driving anyway right... Oh, this whole product has a patent on it... So it must be true, right? I mean I read it in print, print is always true, right?

    What next, we don't have all-in-one cables?
    I said the description was deceptive....plain simple statement that once again sent you on an irrational rant-if you wanted me to clarify just ask:

    Your description states:
    To the Passenger: The passengers have full control over what they watch using their own 7" Touchscreen monitors. With full access to the same media library as the driver they can select music, movies, radio stations, weather or even know where you are traveling using the GPS Viewer.
    That description leaves readers with the impression that they have two screens they can use for any of those activities when in fact the screens share the same video signal (hence same activity). Making the "dual touchscreens" rather crippled as you are controlling the same source.
    In a multi-zone setup (a/v industry standard definition) each zone is independently controlled. If you plan on using this term for a different meaning it needs to be clearly explained otherwise it is deceptive (whether intentionally so or not really doesn't matter to me just the effects on the end user).

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    Rant, I asked you to explain where we 'Lie'!! You also said Lawsuit.... You really wanna?

    Which you have not shown a 'Lie' have you...

    Each zone is independently controlled,
    The Front zone = the Drivers monitor
    The Rear zone = two headrests monitors, or single roof mount..
    = Dual-Zone!!

    Multi-Zone, now thats different yet again.. Centrafuse can't do Multi-Zone just yet but we are almost there.

    If you want 3 or more 'Zones' wait till mid-year. We will have that too, I hope it will be out of testing by then...

    So again.... Where did we 'Lie'??

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    Truecrypt... Don't forget to complain about their name as well. They are making it sound like they are doing more than just encrypting stuff...

    justchat, i simple think you misunderstood the description. The idea is that you can have multiple independent zones with their own signal, but still allow the driver to turn off the movie that your kids are watching in the back seat when you want them to pay attention to what you are telling them. Or I can force them to watch LinuxICE propeganda and still allow me to listen to my music and do gps on mine.

    IIRC, this is the exact reason you criticized RR. RR can run multiple instances on different screens, but you have no control of one zone from the other zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    Truecrypt... Don't forget to complain about their name as well. They are making it sound like they are doing more than just encrypting stuff...

    justchat, i simple think you misunderstood the description. The idea is that you can have multiple independent zones with their own signal, but still allow the driver to turn off the movie that your kids are watching in the back seat when you want them to pay attention to what you are telling them. Or I can force them to watch LinuxICE propeganda and still allow me to listen to my music and do gps on mine.

    IIRC, this is the exact reason you criticized RR. RR can run multiple instances on different screens, but you have no control of one zone from the other zone.
    Thank you for proving my point!!

    Thats exactly what the product implies it does but DOES NOT DO!! Like he says below you are limited to 2 zones-not multiple independent zones. The multiple zones feature is an R&D feature that is not available.

    Also, rr has no independent sound card control so its not capable of zones-that was my criticism. Two instances are useless if they both use the same speakers.

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    You are sadly wrong.. The TRUzone system does do exactly what we and Kev claim it to do. 'PUSH' another marketing word, but chosen due to what the feature does do...

    It is what Kev is saying we can do, from the Drivers Monitor you goto the Library, as one example, and select a video, be that the LinuxICE propeganda or a Barney video, then select 'PUSH', yep the button says 'PUSH', and it then starts playing "in the second zone". The 'PUSH' button sits right next to the 'Play' button, so you as the Driver can select WHICH monitor you want the video to play to...

    IF YOU ARE PARKED!! You as the driver or as the passenger can select a video to either Play or Push and you BOTH can watch videos... DIFFERENT VIDEOS!! AT THE SAME TIME!! The rear passenger listens to theirs over the RF headphones... The Driver has the speakers in the vehicle..

    BUT... To one up that.. The Driver can ALSO, change the sound cards outputs, so Mom or Dad can also, by tapping a button, flip the output of sound card #2 to the Drivers speakers.. Kids can't hide and you buddy in the back seat listening to his USB key has said, 'Hey, you gotta hear this', so you tap the button and... you do..

    To expand on Kev's multi control. If nothing is playing in the rear, or tap a button again, and the Rear passenger has control of Play, Pause, Prev and Next of the Drivers Screen!!! Again, the Driver can LOCK this out, don't want your kids messin with you Pink Floyd tracks...

    This is ALL true, the system does everything that I have said and a bit more... Do you get it now???

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashboard View Post
    You are sadly wrong.. The TRUzone system does do exactly what we and Kev claim it to do. 'PUSH' another marketing word, but chosen due to what the feature does do...

    It is what Kev is saying we can do, from the Drivers Monitor you goto the Library, as one example, and select a video, be that the LinuxICE propeganda or a Barney video, then select 'PUSH', yep the button says 'PUSH', and it then starts playing "in the second zone". The 'PUSH' button sits right next to the 'Play' button, so you as the Driver can select WHICH monitor you want the video to play to...

    IF YOU ARE PARKED!! You as the driver or as the passenger can select a video to either Play or Push and you BOTH can watch videos... DIFFERENT VIDEOS!! AT THE SAME TIME!! The rear passenger listens to theirs over the RF headphones... The Driver has the speakers in the vehicle..

    BUT... To one up that.. The Driver can ALSO, change the sound cards outputs, so Mom or Dad can also, by tapping a button, flip the output of sound card #2 to the Drivers speakers.. Kids can't hide and you buddy in the back seat listening to his USB key has said, 'Hey, you gotta hear this', so you tap the button and... you do..

    To expand on Kev's multi control. If nothing is playing in the rear, or tap a button again, and the Rear passenger has control of Play, Pause, Prev and Next of the Drivers Screen!!! Again, the Driver can LOCK this out, don't want your kids messin with you Pink Floyd tracks...

    This is ALL true, the system does everything that I have said and a bit more... Do you get it now???
    I never said anything about how both zones function!!! Like I have said 3 times now it implies this functionality can exist in more then 2 zones which it clearly can not!! This is the last time i'm commenting in this thread... I tried giving you helpful advise to make it easier for new customers and was flamed both in this thread and through PMs-ignoring the fact that its incredibly unprofessional I have better things to do then listen to you rant.

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    Who is ranting? They are replies... You posted the question and I answered.. You said we 'Lie' then throw out the lawsuit crap for 'false advertising' and now you bail.

    As to 'implies', we can't help the way you read... We tried our best to answer your questions, if you don't like the answers, then so be it..

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    Wow...the tempers in this thread!!

    dashboard: I had actually never looked at your website or your products up until now, but since this thread got heated up, I went and took a look. Now, here's your main page and what it says:



    Notice what you're saying? "Multi Zone". Multi Zone is an almost universally accepted term that implies more than two zones. Two zones are almost universally called "dual zone".

    Now, on the actual product page for TRUzone, you say:



    That text in the description is clearly demarcating between a "Rear Zone" and the "In dash zone". It does not talk about any additional zones or anything. How people control is immaterial to the discussion. The "operation" of these zones is not what's pertinent, it's the definition.

    Now, as I said, those are "almost" universally accepted terms, and for good reason. Imagine you're buying a new car. And the manufacturer advertises it as having "Multi zone" climate control. What would your expectation/perception be at first read? Different zones for different passengers in the car that can be controlled independently, or two zones for the front two passengers, that can be controlled individually? Now, what if that manufacturer instead of using the term "Multi zone", used "Dual Zone" climate control instead? Would your perception be any different?

    With that said, even if someone used "Multi Zone" to actually mean only two zones, is that illegal/deceptive/false marketing? Well, yes and no, I'm sure it's a grey area. It's not technically illegal as it CAN be used to represent something that's more than "one". Here's Merriam's dictionary definition for the term.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multi

    Notice in that definition, it specifically mentions "more than two", although it CAN be used in context to mean "more than one" as well? However, "unversally accepted" means exactly that, mass perception. That's what MOST people accept as the literal meaning.

    On a slightly different note, going through your site, the creator/author of the site does not seem to be a native English speaker. If you want to sell products in an English speaking country, the first impression of your website is quite bad. Please try and clean that up, I'm sure it will help your sales. This is not criticism, but an observation.

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    Looks like "multi" can mean more than one or more than two. I also recall seeing some "**" on the site that Truzone is still in development.

    So depending on which definition you chose to interpret, it does support multi-zones (ie, more than one), and it will support more than two in the future.

    In retrospect (so we can get this thread back to the original topic), we learn that 1) this community doesn't like to spend enormous amounts of money. 2) we are primarily a DIY'ers. 3) We like to start with the most basic of features and grow from there. 4) we don't mind doing a lot of R & D ourselves.
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    kapone, good reply, justchat_1, learn from his post on how to explain things...

    Kapone, I see what you are saying and we looked at it as multi-zone is more then 'one'. We use the term 'True' due to the interaction between the zones. This term most likely will always stay in the product description.

    We have been working with Centrafuse for 3 years now and the code is in place for 'many' zones through their software, this too can be found in LinuxICE and we are working with Kev, kinda on the possibilities of running LinuxICE too. If outside of the Frontend a user wanted a 3rd.. 4th.. or.. zone they only need to drop us an email. With different modules we can support these needs as well.

    As for the site, sorry about my English, we had a site contracted then 80% built and this company failed to complete, so the site you see was built in only 2 days to get something posted..

    We have no time for the web front so if someone wants to step up, we do have a budget for it...

    I feel we have beat this to death...

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