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    Quote Originally Posted by steven765 View Post
    Just had a fascinating conversation with zotac tech support:

    Me: Any idea why moving the gps card from one slot to the other and the system won't recognize it.
    Support: There's only one slot.
    Me: No there's two, here's a link to the pic of your product. (two mini-pcie slots clearly visible)
    Support: Right only one slot.
    Me: Umm you realize the wireless module is removable right?
    Support: Yes that's the only slot.
    Me:
    Support: I can see this is going to be an education for me.

    After 30 minutes I end up having to e-mail tech support. This makes me wonder who's answering the live chat tech support. And after sending him copies of the spec sheet showing two mini-pcie cards he thanked me for helping. Anyway he's going to track down the power requirements for each rail 3.3, 5, and 12.

    In my professional assessment I believe they have issues, because just moving a single card from a working slot to another makes it not work. This eliminates power as the culprit and makes me think they FUBARED the wiring on the extra slots... or the BIOS.. or the power supply.... or....


    Wow
    Could be one slot is locked by the manufactuerer for a wireless module, this is pretty standard. Sorry the tech support is an idiot in silvercity, nm that just bought a 10 gallon hat cause they thought it was fashionable.

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    No the zotac production model is a 20-pin ATX.

    That's the irony the card that the factory wireless module is NOT causes the problems. It works fine in the wireless slot.

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    Hello Guys,
    I tend to differ that it's power-capacity of the M3-ATX that's of concern here. I've run a lot more hardware than a mere Atom setup on only 120W......and the M3-ATX can provide peak-power of up to 150W.

    There is something else at play here, and most likely a problem with the motherboard timing-requirements, similar to older M2-ATX psu's.

    Will investigate this one a bit further to see if we can get down to the crux of this one.

    I would reckon a fully populated Atom setup, like this one, with HD, slimline optical, and maybe Wifi module, should draw no more than 70W-80W startup (50W-70W running).....

    @ Steven: You may most likely not be able to populate the WiFi pci-e slot with anything else tha a wifi module, there are manyu boards that has this "locked" to a specific type of module, I found the same in motherboards on IBM laptops.

    Those slots might simply not be wired to accept the full compliment of pci-e compatible cards, rather just the wifi-subset.

    Probably the reason why the tech-support said you had only one pci-e slot that could be populated with anything.....the other is locked to wifi.
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    As added info I also have a PCI-x1 -> mini pcie adapter I've been using and it yields the same results as the other mini-pcie slot, insert anything and it chooses not to boot. Unless its the factory wireless card.

    Sadly I may have to set this aside for a week or return it to Newegg. If my Phd adviser finds out I'm spending time on this, well it's not research, so not getting fired is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven765 View Post
    As added info I also have a PCI-x1 -> mini pcie adapter I've been using and it yields the same results as the other mini-pcie slot, insert anything and it chooses not to boot. Unless its the factory wireless card.

    Sadly I may have to set this aside for a week or return it to Newegg. If my Phd adviser finds out I'm spending time on this, well it's not research, so not getting fired is good.
    Please post a link to the adapter you've been using, I've search all over and found nothing to convert sata or pci to mini pcie.

    thanks!

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    http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/MP2W.html

    Now mine had a date with a dremel and fits inside the M350! However you have to clean the edges and make sure you don't short any runs, and make sure the card you intend to use doesn't need 1.5v as that gets sawed off to make it fit. I'll post pics of this later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    Hello Guys,
    I tend to differ that it's power-capacity of the M3-ATX that's of concern here. I've run a lot more hardware than a mere Atom setup on only 120W......and the M3-ATX can provide peak-power of up to 150W.

    There is something else at play here, and most likely a problem with the motherboard timing-requirements, similar to older M2-ATX psu's.

    Will investigate this one a bit further to see if we can get down to the crux of this one.

    I would reckon a fully populated Atom setup, like this one, with HD, slimline optical, and maybe Wifi module, should draw no more than 70W-80W startup (50W-70W running).....

    @ Steven: You may most likely not be able to populate the WiFi pci-e slot with anything else tha a wifi module, there are manyu boards that has this "locked" to a specific type of module, I found the same in motherboards on IBM laptops.

    Those slots might simply not be wired to accept the full compliment of pci-e compatible cards, rather just the wifi-subset.

    Probably the reason why the tech-support said you had only one pci-e slot that could be populated with anything.....the other is locked to wifi.

    I checked the slots aren't locked however this is a bios issue of some sort because screens they say exist in the manual are not there in real life, specifically the screen to configure the PCI bus.

    That aside for it not starting up, do you think it might be possible the firmware on the M3 is stopping it? I haven't checked yet, is that upgradeable, I know i have one of the earlier M3 models there have been several revisions since mine.

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    That aside for it not starting up, do you think it might be possible the firmware on the M3 is stopping it? I haven't checked yet, is that upgradeable, I know i have one of the earlier M3 models there have been several revisions since mine
    That may very well be something to consider

    Please keep us posted!
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    Okay so we're pretty sure it's the timing on the power supply. The guys at Logic supply were great and helped me out testing multiple power supplies with the boradcom HD decoder chip. None of the PICO power supplies worked. The M2 does. Even though they verified that the power draw was within the specifications.

    I wrote mini-box, here's hoping they come up with a fix. It's funny it only does it with cards installed, but who knows.

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    Thanx for the feedback, and good going there
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