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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchjs View Post
    thats right he did nothing wrong, i never said he did

    2k1toaster wouldnt like if i posted fusion brain schematics
    its just mutual developer respect...
    You implied that he stole it. And you're right, 2k1toaster wouldn't like that, but he would have no ground to stand on if it was a schematic created by someone else via reverse engineering. But considering something similar happened to 2k1toaster and Mp3Car now sells the offending device, why then should rray's post of a schematic he made of your cable need removed? I smell a double standard somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchjs View Post
    i am the manufacture... please delete the image
    it already got stolen once.... without permission
    "Already got stolen once", sounds to me like you're basically saying it was stolen again. I imagine that rray didn't actually know what he had a right to post and not post concerning this kind of thing so I figured I would clarify for him.

    Just because you are the "manufacture" doesn't mean you can stop people everywhere from making the same cable you made. Especially on a hobbyist website. Not like you're making millions off these cables anyway so I fail to see the real harm other than a hurt ego.
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    i dont know anything about 2k1toaster and mp3car selling an offending device... (as far as i know, mp3car fully supports 2k1toaster, so lets drop that)

    your right i cant stop everyone, but out of developer respect, removing its from this forum is the correct thing to do
    nothing more, nothing less...
    rray, didnt steal anything, but that doesnt mean, someone else didnt...nor can i stop someone else from doing it again
    but it was done at least once in the past....
    and removing the schematic is just for developer respect in the forum that fueled the whole project
    its not like this forum is called "reverse enginging"
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    I failed to see where you "developed" anything that wasn't basically a reverse engineer of something else. All you did you was mass produce a cable and reverse engineer someone else's protocol so you could use your software to control something someone else made. Is that not true?

    You're right, we should call this forum "reverse enginging".

    Steering wheel radio controls for some cars? Reverse engineered right here on the forum. HD Radio and some XM stuff? Same thing. Ride RUNNER?! A CLONE of media engine! Remember when 0l33l reverse engineered his entire Lexus HVAC control to use with his CarPC? Where was the respect for all those devs?

    And no, I'm not gonna drop the 2k1toaster thing because it was really a shady deal. Qube was created by Colin taking info from 2k1toaster under the guise of a school project. Now mp3car sells the Qube, but you're right, they still support 2k1toaster. So not only was his product reverse engineered using this forum, the site now sells the product of that reverse engineering. So you see what I am saying now? Why should you be protected for some lowly cable? By your logic, mp3car should stop selling Qubes in respect for the dev 2k1toaster.
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    course its true to a point, i reversed the hdradio protocol, i CREATED the hd radio cable

    the point is, out of developer respect, i asked the image to be removed... done deal..
    if someone wants the here wants the schematic, they can always ask me...

    yes drop the 2k1toaster thing(or move your soap box to another forum), you are a guest here at mp3car.com, what mp3car.com sells is compltely up to them
    they dont sell the Qube, i dont see any mention of it in the store

    why should i be protected, because i asked...

    if 0l33l posted the reverse engineering schematics of lexus, and lexus contacted mp3car and asked it to be removed it would be
    (i really dont know any thing about it)

    i give you a great example, i put something on ebay, that i owned, and directed electronics contacted ebay, and had it removed...
    i called ebay, asked why, and was told i posted something in the description a voilation of DEI guidlines... i still dont know exactly what i did
    the fact is, DEI asked ebay to pull the listing, and they did

    anyway... yes there is some hyprocrocy here, none the less... id rather not have the schematic posted in the forum for the world to google on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchjs View Post
    yes drop the 2k1toaster thing(or move your soap box to another forum), you are a guest here at mp3car.com, what mp3car.com sells is compltely up to them
    they dont sell the Qube, i dont see any mention of it in the store
    http://store.mp3car.com/Qube_USB_IO_..._p/com-114.htm

    Looks like it's out of stock currently. So no, still won't drop the 2k1toaster thing.

    Your eBay anecdote, while true, doesn't quite apply here. This is a hobbyist forum and a bunch of DIY guys n gals. Different rules for a different community but I can understand where you were trying to go with that. I just don't want the members here thinking they're going to get in some sort of trouble for posting things that are perfectly legal.

    And no, I'm not only a guest here, I'm also a moderator until further notice so part of my "job" here is to use my soapbox... here. Odd that you can't understand that.
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    Let me get this straight....

    mitchjs asked that an image be removed. The image in question is a schematic of a cable that was a reverse-engineered copy of a cable mitchjs makes & occassionally sells that is also reverse-engineered from a DEI cable?
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    hehe, no i didnt reverse a DEI cable, that would be too cool if DEI had one... i CREATED the cable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    Let me get this straight....

    mitchjs asked that an image be removed. The image in question is a schematic of a cable that was a reverse-engineered copy of a cable mitchjs makes & occassionally sells that is also reverse-engineered from a DEI cable?
    Well, I guess that's where I'm confused. I don't think you can get a serial cable for this anymore. There's a new revamped USB cable, probably prolific or FTDI. This is another reason why I fail to see why this was even an issue. So what if some other company gets ahold of some old serial cable schematic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchjs View Post
    hehe, no i didnt reverse a DEI cable, that would be too cool if DEI had one... i CREATED the cable!
    But you had to have a base to work from in order to create your cable.
    So perhaps you didn't reverse engineer DEI's cable, but there definitely was some RE happening.

    Not saying RE is bad. Far from it.
    However, if YOU were able to RE to make the cable you make and sell, then anyone else could as well.
    That makes your claim of exclusivity or whatever null and void, so your requesting someone else's schematic be removed is bull*****.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    Well, I guess that's where I'm confused. I don't think you can get a serial cable for this anymore. There's a new revamped USB cable, probably prolific or FTDI. This is another reason why I fail to see why this was even an issue. So what if some other company gets ahold of some old serial cable schematic?
    Even if they don't get the schematic, anyone who cares to devote enough time and energy could do the same thing mitch did.
    From what I have read in this thread, that's exactly what rray did.

    So why was rray's work stripped from these forums? Inquiring minds want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    So why was rray's work stripped from these forums? Inquiring minds want to know.
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    Mod, please delete my image link as courtesy to Mitch, as I am out of town in a training class and cannot edit posts from tapatalk.
    Quote Originally Posted by mitchjs View Post
    i am the manufacture... please delete the imageit already got stolen once.... without permission

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