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    I'd guess that it isn't wide enough, just because it's designed for a bike wheel. Give them a call and see what they have to say about it.
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    i'm gonna have to look for those wheels next time i go to a car show, and pick them apart..

    a motorcycle wouldn't be too bad with just a spacer-- the axle is still solidly bolted in so if this spacer blew up, there might be a little slop, but the bike would be able to be safely stopped--yes, the disc brake might drag, and wear out a set of pads or tweak the alignment of the caliper, but nothing catastrophic 'should' happen--the wheel will stay bolted to the bike..

    on a car, i don't like the idea of any spacer like that-- if that blows up, the lugs go loose, it stresses the lugs, bad things can happen with loose lug nuts..


    my main problem with el is that it is dim. so if you ever park under bright lights, it is nearly impossible to see..

    either way, once i figure out how they do it, i might have to build a set of self-righting center cap logo's just to mess with..
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    It's called a "Slip Ring Assembly" It's used on any things to transfer power to a rotating assembly. Usually you have a stationary set of contacts (brushes, flexible metal contacts) that run a circular disk with copper or silver traces. They are used in many pieces of equipment but a good example is a farris wheel at a amusement part (you see the lights running around the wheel and the spokes). Usually they are contained in a weather proof enclosure to keep rain and other foreign objects out of the contacts. Running something like this on a car wheel wouldn't be that hard to make and use but the trick is that sooner or later corrosion will build up on the areas that make contact and stop the transfer of the power to the wheel. Also using a brush set up will require constant replacement of those brushes. When I was in the Us Navy the helos I worked on used such a system to transfer power to the blade tip electro luminescent lights.

    As far as the legality of the wheel lights I can say for sure that in most states it is illegal for you to run them unless it's setting stationary in a parking lot on display (like a car show). They are considered a distraction to other drivers and in some extreme cases when using red and blue lights you can get a ticket for impersonating a police/fire vehicle. I know because I got a ticket in Virginia Beach for having a strobing blue LED, it was facing inside the car not outward but I still got the ticket. That was a $150 lesson for me.

    Thanks to HiJackZX1 I'm going to be looking into power transfer via inductance coils (one stationary and one rotating) for just such a thing as the wheel lights. Beings LED's work on as little as 1.5-3.0 VDC at very low amperage it might be something that can be done.

    Ok I've took enough of your time up..... Good luck with the finishing of your project HiJackZX1. Looks good so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kegobeer View Post
    I'd guess that it isn't wide enough, just because it's designed for a bike wheel. Give them a call and see what they have to say about it.
    Yea, I emailed them. Looking at the contact ring... If I take off the two lower rings, then it should be wide to fit my rims. I will keep looking around, but I am only seeing their kit. The kit is for changing colors, but since I am only powering one color, I dont need all 4, just 2. I emailed them last night.

    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    i'm gonna have to look for those wheels next time i go to a car show, and pick them apart..

    a motorcycle wouldn't be too bad with just a spacer-- the axle is still solidly bolted in so if this spacer blew up, there might be a little slop, but the bike would be able to be safely stopped--yes, the disc brake might drag, and wear out a set of pads or tweak the alignment of the caliper, but nothing catastrophic 'should' happen--the wheel will stay bolted to the bike..

    on a car, i don't like the idea of any spacer like that-- if that blows up, the lugs go loose, it stresses the lugs, bad things can happen with loose lug nuts..


    my main problem with el is that it is dim. so if you ever park under bright lights, it is nearly impossible to see..

    either way, once i figure out how they do it, i might have to build a set of self-righting center cap logo's just to mess with..
    I dont think they make them. You cant find them for sale. You read about them, but most sites that claim to sell them, have a 404 page error, lol.

    You can order different Grades of EL. Grade A is bright, Grade B is medium, Grade C is dim. I will admit that it will never be as bright as LED, but thats why I like it. Also whats cool is that even though its daylight, it will still show red. Just wont be blaring. Once you turn them off, the EL would turn white. I also emailed them if they have one that turns black when its off, but I think Im wishing for to much, lol. I also wanted to do it in red, but my gut tells me that it will be a magnet for police. So I may go with the green one. If I go with the green, then it will match my interior lights. I really want the red so I am going to contact my local Police and ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikey8567 View Post
    It's called a "Slip Ring Assembly" It's used on any things to transfer power to a rotating assembly. Usually you have a stationary set of contacts (brushes, flexible metal contacts) that run a circular disk with copper or silver traces. They are used in many pieces of equipment but a good example is a farris wheel at a amusement part (you see the lights running around the wheel and the spokes). Usually they are contained in a weather proof enclosure to keep rain and other foreign objects out of the contacts. Running something like this on a car wheel wouldn't be that hard to make and use but the trick is that sooner or later corrosion will build up on the areas that make contact and stop the transfer of the power to the wheel. Also using a brush set up will require constant replacement of those brushes. When I was in the Us Navy the helos I worked on used such a system to transfer power to the blade tip electro luminescent lights.

    As far as the legality of the wheel lights I can say for sure that in most states it is illegal for you to run them unless it's setting stationary in a parking lot on display (like a car show). They are considered a distraction to other drivers and in some extreme cases when using red and blue lights you can get a ticket for impersonating a police/fire vehicle. I know because I got a ticket in Virginia Beach for having a strobing blue LED, it was facing inside the car not outward but I still got the ticket. That was a $150 lesson for me.

    Thanks to HiJackZX1 I'm going to be looking into power transfer via inductance coils (one stationary and one rotating) for just such a thing as the wheel lights. Beings LED's work on as little as 1.5-3.0 VDC at very low amperage it might be something that can be done.

    Ok I've took enough of your time up..... Good luck with the finishing of your project HiJackZX1. Looks good so far!

    Mikey
    Oh your info was very valuable, so no time taken. I can now research it much better. Now I want you to know I will not start this until the car pc is done. I am not going to side track myself, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    Oh your info was very valuable, so no time taken. I can now research it much better. Now I want you to know I will not start this until the car pc is done. I am not going to side track myself, lol.
    LOL Oh how I know that can happen! I've been working on so many other things that I haven't had time for the Xterra. Hell I need to work on it, I have the 12VDC/powered USB distribution block in works, a retractable webcam base, and many other things that I haven't had a chance to get too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey8567 View Post
    LOL Oh how I know that can happen! I've been working on so many other things that I haven't had time for the Xterra. Hell I need to work on it, I have the 12VDC/powered USB distribution block in works, a retractable webcam base, and many other things that I haven't had a chance to get too.

    Mikey
    So much to do and so little time!

    Well Light Tape contacted me back. They are getting me in contact with the guy that helped with the Tron Bike.

    As far as the G4 Power Puc, the company, or the rep I am dealing with, is being so defensive about it cant work on a car. I think hes wrong. I will have to mod the slipring or even build a new one. I am sure it will work though. Lets hope he gets back to me with the dimensions.
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    OMG, Mikey8567! I could hug you to death. Because you gave me the proper name, I have found so many versions of slip ring assemblies. Some are as small as quarters!
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    OK, I am getting really nervous with the pancake slip rings. So I started to do research. Then I thought, what about wireless power transfer! Here is a video!



    This seems easy. I just do not know if it will be able to power what I want to do.
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    doesn't your truck have ABS?

    the pulsing signal needed by the inductors could really screw with that, depending on the proximity of everything, and how much output power you use(not the power required by the el tape, but the power needed to 'jump the gap')

    i also can't think of how to build that same setup around disc brakes...

    with drum brakes, you could easily install both inductors around the outside back edge of the drum-- easy to line up, nothing to interfere. but with disk's, you can't install the inductor behind the disk-- how would the wires pass through the disk without changing the integrity of the disc? and it can't be installed on top of the disc to clear the caliper--that would be very visible...

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    Well I would make a the loop for the car side around the whole brake.

    Here is a crude drawing.

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