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    Wait a sec, you're using knowin marginal terminators to try to set up a new network. Sigh. You need to put more thought into things.

    I would still use NetBEUI over TCP/IP. You can "ping" other machines with the NET VIEW command at the DOS prompt. NetBEUI is just much simpler in this application.

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    Umm....
    I think they are faulty...
    It could also be my cable... Its REALLY long.. And the plugs aren't how they should be..

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    I'm afraid to ask, but what do you mean "the plugs aren't how they should be"? You are using a proper BNC coax cable, right? The length shouldn't be an issue - BNC is able to accomodate huge cable lengths (max. 600 feet!). Are you sure you're using proper terminators? You should have two pieces on each PC: a T-junction (not sure of the correct name for this piece) and a terminator. The coax cabel plugs into one end of the "T", and the terminator plugs in opposite to the coax cable. The remaining end of the "T" plugs into the NIC on the PC. Here's a quick picture of how this works:


    PS: Does anyone else here find it strange that SkinnyBoy goes on about building DC-DC power supplies and changing the crystals in CPUs but can't network a couple PCs? Hmmm...

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    First of all, deal with your cabling problem. Go out, and buy new coax cable with the proper connectors already installed, two Ts, and two terminators. Now assemble everything properly. Does it work?

    Your problem is most likely due to your horriffic cabling. Length is not a problem, as the maximum length of an RG58 EtherNet cable is exactly 607 feet. Oh, and be sure you are using the right type of coax. Only RG58 with BNC connectors properly installed should be used.
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    I know how to connect the network, And these were new terminators and T-adapters...
    The cable was one I found somewhere... All thats wrong with it is that there are bits of the shielding sticking out around the plug...

    Also, is it possible to connect the computers like this?? And connect short cables to the wall plates and straight into the back of the computer??

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    OK. First of all, normall coax has little bits of shielding sticking out the plug. That's how it's made. Secondly, where did you find the cable? If it was in the garbage, you now know the reason. Do you even know if any of this network hardware that you have works? You'll get nowhere if you have marginal hardware.
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    The cable wasn't in a bin, and the hardware works.. I think.. Well, the cards do, but I'm still not sure about the cable or connectors.. I currently have the card from mp MP3box in another computer, connected to the family computer using the possibly dud network gear, and the family comp can see the other, but the other comp can't see the family comp... does this suggest a faulty terminator???

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    Listen very carefully, becasue I will only say it one more time: buy all new hardware. Period. Get a set of NICs with RJ-45 connectors, make a crossover twisted pair cable, and go from there. That way, you get a link light, and you can tell whe the cards are transmitting/recieving. You also have a guarantee that your hardware is working. When you say things like "the car words....I think..." it just wastes your time, and more importantly, my time. Start with good hardware, not "I think it works" hardware.
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    Another idea is to get a third computer onto the network. ONce you have three computers networked and you only see two working you can more easily tell where the problem is.

    But I do agree with Aaron. You can buy 10/100 cards for $10-20. It makes little sense to use the older cards when you can have a completely new network setup for so cheap.
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    I seem to recall telling someone this also. Yes get a NEW nic card, there are chip and prolly will solve ur problem. Stop using OLD hardware and expect it to work with todays software.
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